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80%protien while cutting...anyone tried it? could you digest all that protien..whatt about energy?
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Unless you are obese and plan on not doing any weight training, I would advise against this diet. If you are weight training, then you need the carbs to keep your glycogen up and also to keep your mental edge. The diet you have specified, will catabolize hard-earned muscle for fuel, and also make you very hard to be around.
BiggerisBetter
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not enough carbs and protein
all the protein you are eating will be used as energy
bottom line the protein will be an expensive form of energy
all the protein you are eating will be used as energy
bottom line the protein will be an expensive form of energy
chrisoh
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you will not catabolize that much muscle on this diet if you are obese but if you are fairly lean, you might try to raise the fats a little bit like taking in some Flax Seed Oil to help your body keep some of that muscle. I also believe that the 80% protein will help keep muscle mass but not necessarily build any muscle because you will have no energy to go through the workouts.
the nature boy
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keep in mind if you over do it on the protein the body will have no use for it and basically convert it to a sugar equivilant.
It would definitely work, but getting those ratios are really hard to achieve. Even boneless skinless chicken breast will have about 25% by calories, along with some turkey. You'd need to eat Tuna, extra lean turkey, extra lean chicken, egg whites (etc) , low fat/low carb whey protein isolates. which is possible but 10% fat leaves no room for Essential Fatty Acids, which go a long way towards fat loss and health. Also, such low fat levels are correlated with low testosterone levels. What I would recommend (which is what works best for me) is up the fat "slightly", I make NO progress on atkins or CKD's, as well as high carbs, so I stick with about 75% protein, 25% fat, allowing a little more options w/ food choices. I eat 0 carbs, but if you were to and want to drop fast, save all your carbs for post-workout ONLY. I actually have the best results when I save all my food for after my workout. Right now i'm getting 1g protein per lb bodyweight, w/ 25% of calories from fat (lean meats and fish oils), and no carbs except on a cheat day. I know calories are so low w/ only 1 meal, but results are so fast its crazy, and i feel great. Its extreme but it works.
By the way, super high protein diets work for many competetive bodybuilders, even natural ones many times get the best results w/ high protein/low carbs and low fat. CKD's work for some, but i've seen many more successful bodybuilders on this approach than on a high fat diet.
By the way, super high protein diets work for many competetive bodybuilders, even natural ones many times get the best results w/ high protein/low carbs and low fat. CKD's work for some, but i've seen many more successful bodybuilders on this approach than on a high fat diet.
the nature boy
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PwB, you have zero carbs except post workout? can you show me your diet?
The Nature Boy, yes, no carbs until post-workout, and many times even during the post-workout period. I try to keep my diet as paleo (natural) as possible, but make exceptions. Basically dont eat until after I work out in the late afternoon or evening. If i'm starving i'll have some chicken, thats about it. After my workout I have 220g protein worth of meat. Basically 2.25 lbs. of either chicken, turkey, top round steak, or ostrich. I rotate protein sources to avoid becoming allergic as well as the benefits of different amino acid profiles of different meats. Along with my huge meal i'll have 6 fish oil capsules, and carbs, if eaten, will be from greens such as broccoli, green beans, or spinach. I have a cheat day every week, and sometimes more often than i'd like to admit, but I try to be consistant with this plan b/c when I do I get the best possible results.
KEL, being a Biology major in college and taking classes like Bio II, Physics, Calc., etc, I can't afford to be much of an idiot. The brain readily adapts to a ketogenic diet and can meet up to 75% of its energy from ketones. The remaining glucose that is required can be met from glycerol coming from the breakdown of fats, some of which turns into glucose as well as some protein which will be converted to glucose, both via gluconeogenesis. Its a huge myth the brain requires carbs to function properly, what the brain needs is essential fatty acids (omega-3s) one of the key building blocks of brain tissue, absolutely necessary for proper brain development as an infant as well as proper functioning and memory as an adult.
KEL, being a Biology major in college and taking classes like Bio II, Physics, Calc., etc, I can't afford to be much of an idiot. The brain readily adapts to a ketogenic diet and can meet up to 75% of its energy from ketones. The remaining glucose that is required can be met from glycerol coming from the breakdown of fats, some of which turns into glucose as well as some protein which will be converted to glucose, both via gluconeogenesis. Its a huge myth the brain requires carbs to function properly, what the brain needs is essential fatty acids (omega-3s) one of the key building blocks of brain tissue, absolutely necessary for proper brain development as an infant as well as proper functioning and memory as an adult.
musclefattie
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that be some good advice
so i should up the fats eh? so far i'm natural and i basically do what you do as far as eating after working out(at about 2 inthe afternoon)...i was just asking about the 80/1/10 thing because that was one direction i was thinking of going as far as cutting is concerened. So far i have been going roughly 40/40/20 protien/carbs/fat but i think the excess carbs are hampering my weight loss and i cna't eat as many fats as required for keto...most of my carbs are veggies and fruit, stuff like spinach and bannanas and grapes and flowers and beans...btw i am on ripped fuel 5 days onn two off and am natural...i'll try to take your word and try the 75/25 diet..i also only eat 2-3 meals a day so dao yout think i should increase the frequency?
thanks bro
so i should up the fats eh? so far i'm natural and i basically do what you do as far as eating after working out(at about 2 inthe afternoon)...i was just asking about the 80/1/10 thing because that was one direction i was thinking of going as far as cutting is concerened. So far i have been going roughly 40/40/20 protien/carbs/fat but i think the excess carbs are hampering my weight loss and i cna't eat as many fats as required for keto...most of my carbs are veggies and fruit, stuff like spinach and bannanas and grapes and flowers and beans...btw i am on ripped fuel 5 days onn two off and am natural...i'll try to take your word and try the 75/25 diet..i also only eat 2-3 meals a day so dao yout think i should increase the frequency?
thanks bro
There's 2 ways u can go about doing this in terms of meal freqeuncy. You can up your meals to 5-6 meals per day, evenly divided, OR, you can stick with the 2-3 meals. If you eat the 2-3 meals, which I usually do (sometimes 1 meal), your biggest meal should be after your workout. What I like to do is get between 75%-100% of my protein intake for the day after my workout, this is a protein "pulse" and research is showing protein utilization goes up dramatically when eating a huge protein meal over eating smaller meals. This plan works perfectly especially if you're busy during the day w/ school/work, and your body actually handles the protein better.
If your main goal is fat loss, i'd cut out the fruit for now, except possibly a piece or 2 only after your workout. Cut out beans, grapes, banana's etc during the day and eat only lean proteins, as this will lower insulin and raise glucagon levels, which allows triglycerides to be released from the fat cells. Another advantage of not eating during the day is your body will be using up to 90% of its energy from Free Fatty Acid burning, and since you aren't eating high fat meals during the day the fat will come from fat stores rather than from foods your eating, which is perfect.
If your main goal is fat loss, i'd cut out the fruit for now, except possibly a piece or 2 only after your workout. Cut out beans, grapes, banana's etc during the day and eat only lean proteins, as this will lower insulin and raise glucagon levels, which allows triglycerides to be released from the fat cells. Another advantage of not eating during the day is your body will be using up to 90% of its energy from Free Fatty Acid burning, and since you aren't eating high fat meals during the day the fat will come from fat stores rather than from foods your eating, which is perfect.
Isn't it true though that if you aren't eating anything but protein that your body will resort to breaking down your muscle to use as energy??
So, if you are not eating all day your body is not only using your free fatty acids but you are using your precious lean muscle. I don't think it to be very wise. I have been eating 6 meals a day for 2 weeks now and I have never had so much energy and I am burning off fat at the same time. I have already lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks and it is all FAT!!!! I am on a 65/5/30 diet p/c/f
So, if you are not eating all day your body is not only using your free fatty acids but you are using your precious lean muscle. I don't think it to be very wise. I have been eating 6 meals a day for 2 weeks now and I have never had so much energy and I am burning off fat at the same time. I have already lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks and it is all FAT!!!! I am on a 65/5/30 diet p/c/f
musclefattie
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65/5/30 sounds pretty similar to 75/25 p/f to me...what else are you doing as far as cardio/ workouts and what are your stats?
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nclifter6feet6
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i did that diet where mainly my food was protien, i got cut but i felt like crap always craving carbs i was taking 2g per pound of bodyweight. i dropped it to 1g per pound of bodyweight and replace the cals that i dropped with carbs only in post workout im finding a hell of alot better results also take xenadrine or any fat burner type stuff 3 times a day along with ala laterzzzzzzzzzz
musclefattie
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i take my ecs on an empty stomatch first thing in the morning before lifting, again after lifting(still empty) and arounf 5 in the evening(haven't eaten for anout 1-2hours then) is it ok for me to take the ala at this time also...i got the impression from my question on a previous thread that ala on an empty stomach was a no-no?
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