8-10 week single esther cutter.

[toxicsambo]

I'm preparing for this cycle by doing massive cardio and dropped 5% BF in the last 6 weeks. When I get down to my desired "look", I have this cycle ready.

Tren Ace-75mg/eod
Masteron-100mg/eod
Test Prop-50mg/eod
T3-50mcg/ed
Proviron-25mg/ed
Clomid-50mg/ed throughout cycle and 3 weeks post cycle.

My research appears to back up my cycle, as far as synergy and offsetting the negative sides of certain compounds. Also an article on Soviet steroid cycles concerning single-esther compounds by starting with test and adding a dht compound are the best cutting cycles they've recorded.

 

[Jon79]

looks good bro! good luck with your cardio and your cutter

 

[bigcountry61]

with ur mass after that cycle u should look pretty impresive. post pics after that cycle. good luck

 

[gstacker]

i never heard of running clomid through the cycle, whats the logic in that? sorry if its a dumb queastion

 

[swordfish151]

I'm preparing for this cycle by doing massive cardio and dropped 5% BF in the last 6 weeks. When I get down to my desired "look", I have this cycle ready.

Tren Ace-75mg/eod
Masteron-100mg/eod
Test Prop-50mg/eod
T3-50mcg/ed
Proviron-25mg/ed
Clomid-50mg/ed throughout cycle and 3 weeks post cycle.

My research appears to back up my cycle, as far as synergy and offsetting the negative sides of certain compounds. Also an article on Soviet steroid cycles concerning single-esther compounds by starting with test and adding a dht compound are the best cutting cycles they've recorded.

Only thing i would change would be the tren from EOD to ED.

 

[toxicsambo]

Only thing i would change would be the tren from EOD to ED.

Because of the half-life? So, like 40-50mg ed? I don't want to go over 500mgs/week, so 75ed is out of the question.

 

[swordfish151]

Because of the half-life? So, like 40-50mg ed? I don't want to go over 500mgs/week, so 75ed is out of the question.

exactly, due to the half life. You'll get far better gains doing it ED then EOD and your blood values will be more stable. You could do 50mgs ED if you wanted to keep the doses under 500mgs a/wk...at 50mgs ED that would be 350mgs a week...

 

[big49ersfan]

i would change the clo and prov bro to nolva and adex but that is just me.

 

[toxicsambo]

i would change the clo and prov bro to nolva and adex but that is just me.

Well, proviron is a much stronger anti-e than nolva, and is also a great bloat reducer. Considering the gear, I'm not using anything that will aromatize besides the test prop, but it's a very low dose, and the proviron is sufficient, plus proviron keeps your sex drive pumping. Also, clomid releases FSH, when nolva nor armidex doesnt. So, clomid will prevent natty test shutdown. Nolva and Adex is good for something like a test/dbol stack.

 

[big49ersfan]

your dreamin if you feel that clomid will stop you from getting shut down!! but if you actually have reports that contradict the previosu stament i would absolutley love to see them

prov is not very good at reduing bloat IMO and experience!! which is why i suggested the adex and well if it is a stonger anti-e than prov then i woudl run the prov and the adex.

 

[toxicsambo]

your dreamin if you feel that clomid will stop you from getting shut down!! but if you actually have reports that contradict the previosu stament i would absolutley love to see them

prov is not very good at reduing bloat IMO and experience!! which is why i suggested the adex and well if it is a stonger anti-e than prov then i woudl run the prov and the adex.

I stand corrected about nolva not stimulating LS and FSH. It does. As far as the Adex being used, I'm putting it in context of the gear. Adex for Tren and Mast? A bit excessive, no? You bloated that badly from Tren and mast, and 200 mgs of test?? Proviron worked very well for me over the summer and I was impressed. Also, I'm thinking of the combined effects of proviron (strength, hardness, sex drive)

As far as the Clomid, well here comes the contradictory reports bro. Read.

"Another side effect of testosterone supplementation is testicular shutdown. The body senses all of the excess testosterone in your system and decides to stop producing its own. This causes your testicles to shrink and your sperm count to decrease significantly. The use of clomiphine citrate (more commonly known as clomid) can prevent this from happening. Clomid stimulates your body to keep producing its own testosterone. That way, testicular shutdown never comes about. Even though testicular shutdown is completely reversible once steroid use has ceased, it is a good idea to prevent it from ever happening. Once you stop using steroids, your body will start producing its own testosterone again. But this can take up to a month to happen. During that month, you will have significantly reduced amounts of testosterone in you system. Thus, you will most likely lose much of your gains once you stop using testosterone. To prevent testicular shutdown, I suggest using clomiphine citrate (AKA Clomid). I recommend 25mg of clomid per day per 500mg of testosterone you use. Since clomid most often comes in 50mg tablets, that would equate to one tablet every other day. If you are using 1000mg of testosterone, that equates to 1 tablet a day. Clomid has been shown extremely safe in many laboratory tests and medical research. (21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32)"
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/test1.htm

So, am I fkn crazy? What am I missing? I've read tons of threads on here where ppl use clomid and hcg during thier cycle, and they swear by it instead of waiting until the cycle is over. And theyre doing 1500mg/week on a mass cycle.

 

[liftr486]

bump

 

[big49ersfan]

The body senses all of the excess testosterone in your system and decides to stop producing its own. This causes your testicles to shrink and your sperm count to decrease significantly. The use of clomiphine citrate (more commonly known as clomid) can prevent this from happening

now this doesnt say that clomid stops shutdown it says that is will stop your balls from shrinking, which is different albeit beneficial. i am not disagreeing that hcg should be used on cycle hell 20 years that is all the boys used for pct and it should also be used during cycle. but even so hcg is still suppressive.

alos look att he titles of these reports he is usin as the basis of what is he saying

21) Guay AT, et al. "Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with clomiphene citrate." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1995 Dec;80(12):3546-52.

22) Tenover JS, Bremner WJ. "The effects of normal aging on the response of the pituitary-gonadal axis to chronic clomiphene administration in men." J Androl 1991 Jul-Aug;12(4):258-63.

23) Goh HH, Ratnam SS. "Effects of estrogens, clomiphene and castration in a male transsexual with as compared to those without hypersecretion of gonadotropins." Gynecol Endocrinol 1990 Jun;4(2):127-41.

24) Sokol RZ, et al. "A controlled comparison of the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in male infertility." Fertil Steril 1988 May;49(5):865-70.

25) Tenover JS, et al. "The effects of aging in normal men on bioavailable testosterone and luteinizing hormone secretion: response to clomiphene citrate." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1987 Dec;65(6):1118-26.

26) Martikainen H, et al. "Testicular responsiveness to hCG before and after long-term antiestrogen treatment in oligozoospermic men." J Steroid Biochem 1985 Nov;23(5A):651-5.

27) Ronnberg L, Kivinen S, Ylikorkala O. "Gonadotropins, prolactin, testosterone and estradiol in seminal plasma: effect of clomiphene treatment." Andrologia 1981 Sep-Oct;13(5):406-11.

28) Ronnberg L. "The effect of clomiphene citrate on different sperm parameters and serum hormone levels in preselected infertile men: a controlled double-blind cross-over study." Int J Androl 1980 Oct;3(5):479-86.

29) Sas M, Falkay G, Szollosi J. "Steroid levels in the serum and seminal plasma during clomiphene therapy in hypofertile men." Acta Med Acad Sci Hung 1978;35(2):159-65.

30) Lim VS, Fang VS. "Restoration of plasma testosterone levels in uremic men with clomiphene citrate." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Dec;43(6):1370-7.

not one of these reports even talkes directly about clomid being used in cycle to stop shutdown they all talk about it in men without any test i.e. after cycle which is when it shoudl be used. not in cycle wthen test levels are rediculoulsy high therefor ento one of his comments has any sound evidence to back it up the c omment about clomid stopping shutdown is redcilous ok they may stop ball shrinkake but iw ould still like to see an actaull report as said stating this mnot some dudes intrepaation of osmeones report. it is 3rd hand info and in aanything scienfitific it is like chinese whispers.

for hardness, sex drive and strnegth prov will be peanutrs compared to the gear your using the masteron/ tren and test will do all the above i would be suppressed if you wernt walking around with a constant bloody erection.

i ti syour cycle and your call clomid being used during cycle althought i dont really agree with ti will stop gyno at the very least and may stop bollock shrinkahe beyong that you aint gettin much from it but the sides associated with running excess anti estrogens.

prov again your cycle your call i dont think it will stop the blaot from the test but with ti combined with the masteron im sure there really wont be too much tbh. but i can see you needing it for harndess or strnegth or sex drive so if you were suing something for blaot then adex is the way forward.

 

[steelmass]

I'm preparing for this cycle by doing massive cardio and dropped 5% BF in the last 6 weeks. When I get down to my desired "look", I have this cycle ready.

Tren Ace-75mg/eod
Masteron-100mg/eod
Test Prop-50mg/eod
T3-50mcg/ed
Proviron-25mg/ed
Clomid-50mg/ed throughout cycle and 3 weeks post cycle.

My research appears to back up my cycle, as far as synergy and offsetting the negative sides of certain compounds. Also an article on Soviet steroid cycles concerning single-esther compounds by starting with test and adding a dht compound are the best cutting cycles they've recorded.

Drop the clomid. If you feel an AI is neceassary throw it in sparingly. But no reason at all to run clomid throughout cycle.

 

[steelmass]

Also, consider some cabergoline throughout - for prolactin recovery.

 

[toxicsambo]

Also, consider some cabergoline throughout - for prolactin recovery.

No way dude, I want leaky nips so I can squirt ppl.

I ran past an article stating that 40mgs of Nolvadex is EQUAL to 150mgs of Clomid. Interesting. Also, check out my post on Tren Gyno Prevention. THere's an interesting article I attached about the effects tren has on T3 and how T3 during a tren cycle can help reduce the rise in prolactin. T3 and Dostinex may very well stop prolactin all together from the tren. Funny how Tren is given to cattle, and yet men can also have delicious milk coming out of thier nips. Mooo.