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deco

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60% carbs, 30% protein, 10% good fat

apperently that;s what an NBA player need to be eating in order to stay healthy. What do you guys think? I have a offseason strength and conditioning manual from one of the teams and it preaches that as an athlete you don't need that much protein. More specifically it says that 8 ounces of protein is plenty. I'll be cutting here so I was looking for a healthy diet, might go with this one.
 
are you in the nba or play a sport consistently year round like they do? if not, i dont think that diet will do you any good for cutting. the typical breakdown is 55%protein/15%carbs/30%fat
 
They probably do 60/30/10 but they don't look that good. There in shape but not from a bodybuilders point of view.
 
jmt24 said:
idk, most of those players are pretty ripped
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I didn't mean to see they're not cut at all. But look at Tim Duncan,Ginobili,Mourning...There cut but not if you want to be a bodybuilder. There are exceptions like Lebron James, Shaq (sometimes), Dwyane Wade.

In summation, I don't think 60/30/10 is that good.
 
I posted a my experience with a high calorie 60/30/10 diet vs. a high calorie/high protein/high fat/low carb diet in another thread. In summary, with with 60/30/10 ratio I gained an equal amount of fat and muscle and while on the anabolic diet my gain was almost all muscle with a little fat that came off very easily when I switched to lower calories. If you're genetically very lean and don't put on fat easily then you could probably get away with a 60/30/10 diet. Not a big fan myself. Reminds me too much of those Weider principles where that was their staple diet plan.
 
Man, just do what works for you. Believe it or not, most folks do well on a 50/20/30 p/c/f. Keep this below your maintnenance. At some point, depending on how lean you want to get, you may well have to up the protein.

But again, bodybuilders do this...throw protein at the body in an effort to save muscle. Actually, it comes down to hormonal changes. If you are fairly "gifted", meaning your genes are good, test levels are high, you can hold more muscle than the average guy. It really does come down to hormones.....you have falling testosterone, high cortisol, etc. at this point.

It is important to note that a bit over half of all ingested amino acids are broken down in the liver in the first place. A good portion of those can and are used to make glucose.

This is where carbs come in. Research shows that as little as 50 gr. of carbs will severely limit the need for the body to use amino acids for gluoconeogenesis.

If you stay under your maintnenance level on a continuous basis, keep enough carbs in your diet to lessen nitrogen loss, you will lose fat. Bottom line.
 
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jmt24 said:
are you in the nba or play a sport consistently year round like they do? if not, i dont think that diet will do you any good for cutting. the typical breakdown is 55%protein/15%carbs/30%fat
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you see the thing is this was for the offseason, also this diet came with a specific training which I liked. Plus I used to play in college before I got injured. Kinda want to stay athletic and agile.,
 
A_N_91 said:
I didn't mean to see they're not cut at all. But look at Tim Duncan,Ginobili,Mourning...There cut but not if you want to be a bodybuilder. There are exceptions like Lebron James, Shaq (sometimes), Dwyane Wade.

In summation, I don't think 60/30/10 is that good.
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you see the problem is half of those people don't even really diet, they eat healthy but they don't exactly keep the calorie count or anything that specific.

Also I want to mention lot of this is due to players comming back fat, they believe this is because they intake lots of calories from fat just like your average american. They put lot of emphasis on fat having more calories that way weight gain comes eeaie. Of course they suggest to consume most of those carbs in complex form.

One of these days I will make a copy of the booklet and post it.
 
Do not be afraid of fats when dieting like this. When you reduce carbs to that level, you need to pick up some calories from somewhere. EFA's can in fact have a positive effect on FA oxidation.
 
that'd be the kind of diet you'd wanna do if you were on DNP.

but you'd have to raise protein a bit.
 
JKurz1 said:
20% should be a bare minimum!!!! Can't burn fat without fat PLUS it's a primary source for Test!
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I agree, fat/cholesterol has direct implications with your body's natural test production.
 
In that case do you guys think I should keep the fats and carbs seperate throughout the day?
 
deco said:
In that case do you guys think I should keep the fats and carbs seperate throughout the day?
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What would fucking posess you to think carbs and fats need to be seperated? Do a bit of research and learn that food combining is a bunch of bullshit.
 
deco said:
I did research you faggot, did you think that just came of top of my head.
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You are correct for the most part bro........you dont want fat consumption when insulin is running rampid, more important to watch when you are cutting for a show than bulking..........
 
Explain why getting past 8% bodyfat changes the laws of thermodynamics and refutes the idea of a calorie is a calorie. Oh, what's that? You can't? Idiot.
 
There is some mistaken notion that fat needs insulin to be stored, thus the carbs/fat mixing is a bad idea.

This is in fact not true, fat does a great job on its own!

To add to this misnomer, even protein gives a rise in blood sugars.

And then bring in the small fact that if you are eating 6-8 meals per day, who is to say your last meal is digested anyway?
 
Lifterforlife said:
There is some mistaken notion that fat needs insulin to be stored, thus the carbs/fat mixing is a bad idea.

This is in fact not true, fat does a great job on its own!

To add to this misnomer, even protein gives a rise in blood sugars.

And then bring in the small fact that if you are eating 6-8 meals per day, who is to say your last meal is digested anyway?
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Hooray, sensible people.

Not to mention that, regardless of food combining, a negative energy balance equates to weight lost.

In fact, there was a period where I was depressed and ate chocolate cake and Taco Bell almost exclusively (a burger here and there). Guess what? I lost weight. Not just weight, but fat. How? 'cause I wasn't eating enough calories, regardless of the makeup of food, and the fact that my meals were cluttered with both carbs & fats.

Funny thing - it was the first time I had been down to a six-pack in awhile. Lost some mass, sure, but it looked damn good. Thank you, fast food & Entemans.
 
deco said:
60% carbs, 30% protein, 10% good fat

apperently that;s what an NBA player need to be eating in order to stay healthy. What do you guys think? I have a offseason strength and conditioning manual from one of the teams and it preaches that as an athlete you don't need that much protein. More specifically it says that 8 ounces of protein is plenty. I'll be cutting here so I was looking for a healthy diet, might go with this one.
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This is what "the skinny bastard diet" recommends, well to be precise its 63/27/10.
 
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Anthrax Invasion said:
Hooray, sensible people.

In fact, there was a period where I was depressed and ate chocolate cake and Taco Bell almost exclusively (a burger here and there). Guess what? I lost weight. Not just weight, but fat. How? 'cause I wasn't eating enough calories, regardless of the makeup of food, and the fact that my meals were cluttered with both carbs & fats.
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In fact there was a period where you couldn't stop being a huge pmsing bitch while you are batling being obese. Guess what bitch, being an asshole on every single one of your posts isn't going to change your life. I hope you get anthrax doughboy, keep the cake diet going and keep the red to yourself.
 
63 + 27 + 100 = 190%

Damn. That's efficient.

It's funny how a bunch of random, baseless insults mean nothing, isn't it, Deco? :) I could argue each point to the point of irrelevancy, but I won't. I'll just leave you with this: You're fucking stupid. Stop posting.

Time to change my tampon - my thong's turning too deep a shade of crimson.
 
And you're a depressed fat ass who takes his emotion out on the internet message board.. Keep that shit to yourself son
 
Yep, I'm certainly a fat ass. :rolleyes:

Oh wait, you haven't seen me. Aw well. Again:

Deco's Master said:
It's funny how a bunch of random, baseless insults mean nothing, isn't it, Deco?
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I guess you can't get that through your thick skull, huh? You're wasting your time and giving me enjoyment. You'd be better off ignoring me. That pisses me off much more.

I only take out part of my emotion here, by the way. I beat women and children in my spare time. I take lessons from Maddox. Learn how here:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

By the way Deco, thanks...

40 Karma Hits 60/30/10 15-Mar-2006 12:53 PM deco stop pmsing bitch

You gave me green. Awww. :)
 
If that's your case why you giving out red, cause you are actually a faggot?

Re: Here he comes, the biggest douche in the universe...
Anthrax Invasion said:
Hell, my back hurt a little bit tonight before I started, but I wasn't in the mood to be a pussy tonight (although I am what I eat... ;) )

So who else made a mistake like me? Am I the only douche here? I hope not. I'll have to eat my words of something-less-than-envy to Blut Wump. :p
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Now, that is about the only thing I will agree with you on.
 
I'm totally a faggot. You caught me, Deco. I'd better go break the news to my girlfriend. :(

Blut, I believe so. I'm so sorry man, you have my sympathy.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
I'm totally a faggot. You caught me, Deco. I'd better go break the news to my girlfriend. :(

Blut, I believe so. I'm so sorry man, you have my sympathy.
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I'll live. :)

I'm just about to go break open a faggot or two myself.

BTW did that bomb take 1500 off of your karmas? Maybe you don't keep track of it.
 
It might have. I don't keep track of it, 'cause it means nothing.
 
:FRlol: Word to big bird.

At least come up with a slightly less lame insult. You know, call me deco or something. Oh wait.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
:FRlol: Word to big bird.

At least come up with a slightly less lame insult. You know, call me deco or something. Oh wait.
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Why are you such an idiot? This is a internet forum ffs.
 
danbo said:
Why are you such an idiot? This is a internet forum ffs.
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Yes, I'm an idiot for being sarcastic and playing with him and his moronic insults, but him saying "go eat a cookie bitch" is permissible. :rolleyes:

You people need to be cooked alive. Stupidity at its best - danbo & deco.
 
This is a bit entertaining...Im watching the Simpsons and cant stop checking this thread, I dont know which is better at this point....*shrugs*
 
blut wump said:
Has anyone tried 40/40/30 yet or, even, expending more than they consume?
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thats 110%, you mean 40/30/30 - which is mostly optimal utility diet macronutrient breakdown.

Anthrax Invasion said:
Explain why getting past 8% bodyfat changes the laws of thermodynamics and refutes the idea of a calorie is a calorie. Oh, what's that? You can't? Idiot.
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Clearly you missed what Jkurz was saying. Dieting is simple in the fact that it is calories in versus calories out. But this is a bodybuilding diet discussion board where, in fact, more complex issues are discussed, such as retaining as much lean body mass while cutting fat are discussed.

Congratulations on losing fat and being able to eat complete junk. This indicates you have a fast metabolism and will have a hard time overcoming the "skinny bitch" status you have. Most people dont have much trouble gaining weight on such calorie dense food.

So I urge you, before you pull out the "jump to conclusions mat" and start to spew out faggotry, understand what you are arguing.

And if you come back saying you're anything over a buck seventy I call bullshit.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
Yes, I'm an idiot for being sarcastic and playing with him and his moronic insults, but him saying "go eat a cookie bitch" is permissible. :rolleyes:

You people need to be cooked alive. Stupidity at its best - danbo & deco.
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Look mate, i've done f**k all apart from a few typo's. Is that really worth being an arsehole about?
 
seroulsy, this doesnt look like the c&c forum.

blut: im currently doing 40/40/20/3600cals on lifting days and 40/30/30/3300cals on nonlifting days. i know this works well for me when i want to gain, but for cutting, i usually stick to the 50/30/20 split.
 
jmt24 said:
seroulsy, this doesnt look like the c&c forum.

blut: im currently doing 40/40/20/3600cals on lifting days and 40/30/30/3300cals on nonlifting days. i know this works well for me when i want to gain, but for cutting, i usually stick to the 50/30/20 split.
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And this is fine....the whole key to losing fat is a caloric deficit. No vodoo pie in the sky crap really makes much of a difference in the long run. All these "methods", food combing, etc. are nothing more than a means to an end, and this is limiting calories in some fashion.

Beardi came up with the food partioning thing on his own, and somehow it took off. But there really is no solid evidence to back it up. If you read him lately, he is backing off of it. As mentioned previously, there is the little matter of digestion time, frequency of meals, insulin is not needed to store fat, etc. that does not wash.

Simply find the macro amouts that you are "comfortable" with, as I mentioned in another thread. Keep this amout through the diet, lowering calories as needed. As you lose bodyfat, what was your calaorie deficit will now be your maintnenance, so further reduciton is necessary, through food and or energy expenditure.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
Yes, I'm an idiot for being sarcastic and playing with him and his moronic insults, but him saying "go eat a cookie bitch" is permissible. :rolleyes:

You people need to be cooked alive. Stupidity at its best - danbo & deco.
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Why don't you cry about it

Please don't kick me in the shin though.
 
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