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30mg/day Anavar only First Cycle???!
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The Iron Game
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With anavar its a tricky one, I know a few people who were put on dbol only cycles 15-25mgs/day, primo only cycles 200mgs/wk nothing else, and eq only cycles 400mgs/wk
Believe it or not all people gained roughly the same weight, between 13-18lbs, kept almost all of them (dbol proviron througout) and gained large increases in strength.
I am slightly changing my mind towards the lower cycles dont do shit. No need to jump in at 500mgs of test, 50mgs of dbol daily, 400mgs of eq and all the other crap we use.
With anavar people have done 20-30mgs/daily and gotten good results but with others nada.
Tough call but if he ups it to 40mgs he at least wouldnt complain
Believe it or not all people gained roughly the same weight, between 13-18lbs, kept almost all of them (dbol proviron througout) and gained large increases in strength.
I am slightly changing my mind towards the lower cycles dont do shit. No need to jump in at 500mgs of test, 50mgs of dbol daily, 400mgs of eq and all the other crap we use.
With anavar people have done 20-30mgs/daily and gotten good results but with others nada.
Tough call but if he ups it to 40mgs he at least wouldnt complain
Japanese machine
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40-80mg for 10 weeks.
Slopain
Banned
Japanese machine said:
now we are talking.
Iron Game: first cycles only you can get decent results, but then theres the issue of do you want to get awesome results off of hmoderate doses or decent results off of low dosages - come 2nd cycle those dosages either way will have to be pretty damn close to get half way good results anyways.
The Iron Game
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Slopain said:
True True, but he isnt in a rush to get massive is he? Cause if he is he will defintely need more than 30mgs of anavar
Im on a moderate cycle now, have to stop due to complications with my accutane but was getting good results with it.
ironbarbarian
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why would you do only anavar when there is injectable testosterone or even EQ which is far more effective for a first time user.
BTW, is your friend scared of needles? cos i'm tired of all these pussy-ass people who are scared of injections.
BTW, is your friend scared of needles? cos i'm tired of all these pussy-ass people who are scared of injections.
not scared of needles just dim witted. 
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LOL@slopain. try to entice em to do a winny/oxandrolone stack.......
you newbie.......you never mentioned the guys stats.....heh!!!
btw slopain, you left yer key yet no addy.......send it to me at my AF addy......
and for shits sake........i thought we had the discussion about my harem on your sig.........
Unity66
[/B][/QUOTE]LOL@slopain. try to entice em to do a winny/oxandrolone stack.......
you newbie.......you never mentioned the guys stats.....heh!!!
btw slopain, you left yer key yet no addy.......send it to me at my AF addy......
and for shits sake........i thought we had the discussion about my harem on your sig.........
Unity66
PimpnAintEasy
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30mg ED Anavar
That's a nice first cycle.....for a chick.
That's a nice first cycle.....for a chick.
Japanese machine
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Slopain said:
tell him to do this, its my next cycle...
fina 75 ed
winny 50 eod
anavar 40mg ed
for 10 weeks; if he wants quality mass...
Slopain
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I dont think he should even bother with Anavar in the first place. I think also that tren shouldnt be used for the 1st time user (and I love tren!). He doesnt want to get huge (I know I know heheh) so he doesnt want test 
I can't believe so many people agree to do a anavar only cycle as your first cycle 
should have known better
Id put him on test/dbol/EQ and get him big, but hes opposed to that for some reason.
unity email me at [email protected]
I can't believe so many people agree to do a anavar only cycle as your first cycle should have known better Id put him on test/dbol/EQ and get him big, but hes opposed to that for some reason.
unity email me at [email protected]
ajc
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Slopain said:IHe doesnt want to get huge (I know I know heheh) so he doesnt want test
Id put him on test/dbol/EQ and get him big, but hes opposed to that for some reason.
unity email me at [email protected]
1. He doesn't want to get huge? I hate to break it to him, but it ain't gonna happen on accident nomatter what he takes. I don't know too many bros that are natural that wouldn't like to gain 20 lbs or so.
2. I won't touch Dbol either (I like that damn liver of mine a lot for some odd reason), so I can't blame him there.
3. I would use 600mg Test per week, then add 300mg of Deca (or EQ...I don't respond very well to EQ, but he may).
Then, if I could afford the 600 test/300deca, I'd add anavar for the first 4 weeks or so or add it to the end to help solidify gains if I wanted to blow some more money.
4. Last (but not least), these guys should know better than to suggest an anavar only cycle for a first timer. That anavar only thing will be a huge waste of 'virgin receptors', not to mention pissing away enough money to buy a lot of test. I honestly think that he would be totally disapointed with the results.
Big Brother Val
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That's also what I would suggest. If he freaks out... take out the d-bol. I still grow very well, with minimal to no sides whatsoever off of a good EQ/test cyp combo.
If he's a virgin... take advantage of it, damnit.
I wish I would have.
I took EQ alone my first cycle... gained 13 or so pounds. Makes me REALLY curious as to what would have happened with Cyp in there.
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MadCow1
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The virgin receptors thing is a myth.
If you stop all roids for a year you will get the same results from the same dosage (it will only be tempered by the fact that you are now closer to your genetic limit after your last cycle - one would hope anyway).
I think this theory came about because everyone goes on and off and runs mutliple cycles per year. The "time on = time off" equation may bring HPTA back to acceptable recovery but I don't feel the body has completely adjusted yet. There seems to be more to it than HPTA recovery.
I've proved this on myself many times. In the past I used 1-2 years between several cycles and almost always waited a minimum of 6-8 months after a 6-8 week cycle. I never really had to increase the dosages much. Hell, one of my last cycles was 200mg of deca for 6 weeks (shoulder rehab) and I exploded with growth and gained almost 20 lbs. very unexpectedly. I kept 15 of it 1 year out.
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So that's my opinion and theory. It is a waste of virgin recpetors only if you plan on cycling several more times this year and are trying to put on 40 lbs. I think the Anavar cycle being suggested will provide the results desired for the user with minimal sides and an acceptable retention rate.
If you stop all roids for a year you will get the same results from the same dosage (it will only be tempered by the fact that you are now closer to your genetic limit after your last cycle - one would hope anyway).
I think this theory came about because everyone goes on and off and runs mutliple cycles per year. The "time on = time off" equation may bring HPTA back to acceptable recovery but I don't feel the body has completely adjusted yet. There seems to be more to it than HPTA recovery.
I've proved this on myself many times. In the past I used 1-2 years between several cycles and almost always waited a minimum of 6-8 months after a 6-8 week cycle. I never really had to increase the dosages much. Hell, one of my last cycles was 200mg of deca for 6 weeks (shoulder rehab) and I exploded with growth and gained almost 20 lbs. very unexpectedly. I kept 15 of it 1 year out.
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So that's my opinion and theory. It is a waste of virgin recpetors only if you plan on cycling several more times this year and are trying to put on 40 lbs. I think the Anavar cycle being suggested will provide the results desired for the user with minimal sides and an acceptable retention rate.
ironbarbarian
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ajc said:
damn right!!! you have to bust your balls even on anadrol and test in order to get huge!!
I know where you are coming from slo. I have had this question put to me as well.
He wants to do a cycle but he is so afraid of it that in his mind if he does this ox cycle he feels like he is doing a cycle without any health risks. Kinda like sticking your foot in the water before jumping in. The best thing you can do for him is let him do it. He will get a little bump from it. He won't die, get cancer, heart disease, high BP, go into an uncontrolled rage and kill someone on the highway or any of the other things he is afraid of. But most importantly (as far as you're concerned) he won't get the gains he wants. When he is all done and spent his money for 3 pounds of muscle he may then be ready to do a real cycle and listen to your ideas instead of the little voice in his ear made possible by the public at large.
He wants to do a cycle but he is so afraid of it that in his mind if he does this ox cycle he feels like he is doing a cycle without any health risks. Kinda like sticking your foot in the water before jumping in. The best thing you can do for him is let him do it. He will get a little bump from it. He won't die, get cancer, heart disease, high BP, go into an uncontrolled rage and kill someone on the highway or any of the other things he is afraid of. But most importantly (as far as you're concerned) he won't get the gains he wants. When he is all done and spent his money for 3 pounds of muscle he may then be ready to do a real cycle and listen to your ideas instead of the little voice in his ear made possible by the public at large.
Hey Ulter,
Newbie perspective: First time around I played around with some low dose Stanosus bought at triple price from the local gym, because I was concerned about sides, and all the other nasty things that I've always heard about AAS.
Finished up with the winny, and got nothing in return for the cost and time put into it. Frustration setting in at this point, so I decided to do some homework and found this board. Thanks to you guys I then learned about what really to expect from sides, the mail order biz, generally why an effective cycle must kill your hpta, what to take to recover, etc.
So in a dry-run sense, I consider picking up this info my first cycle. And now that's what this newbie suggests to anybody considering AAS. Find a great resource like this board, absorb a lot of info, and armed with this knowledge, make an intelligent decision about your "second" cycle. For me it was dbol, test, eq. And I'm still learning.
Newbie perspective: First time around I played around with some low dose Stanosus bought at triple price from the local gym, because I was concerned about sides, and all the other nasty things that I've always heard about AAS.
Finished up with the winny, and got nothing in return for the cost and time put into it. Frustration setting in at this point, so I decided to do some homework and found this board. Thanks to you guys I then learned about what really to expect from sides, the mail order biz, generally why an effective cycle must kill your hpta, what to take to recover, etc.
So in a dry-run sense, I consider picking up this info my first cycle. And now that's what this newbie suggests to anybody considering AAS. Find a great resource like this board, absorb a lot of info, and armed with this knowledge, make an intelligent decision about your "second" cycle. For me it was dbol, test, eq. And I'm still learning.
maxmuscle66
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Hey fellas....
Being a novice here and a newbie in general, I wouldn't put much stock in what I am about to express here because I am just sort of thinking out loud...
I have been told to use anavar too at about the 40-50 mg level for 8-10 weeks... the reasons? I am one of those guys who want to gain quality muscle that will hang around after the cycle for one and secondly, I don't want to use injections... not because I am a pussy but because my significant other, if she saw needles around the house would automatically blow the whistle on me.
I have been giving it some very serious thought about what I could take and this is what, after some truly great advice from some awesome bros... I have come up with... I am not to positive about the amounts though:
week 1-4: d-bol @ 30 mg/day
week 1-8: winny @ 300 mg/week
week 1-9: noveldex @ 50 mg/day
week 9-10: clomid @ 100 mg/day
week 11: clomid @ 50 mg/day
Now, having said this I would like to have some feedback on this cycle... not comments like... "You are such a dumbass..." but rather like... "Good idea but I would adjust...."
Hopefully there will be some good suggestions and feedback to this post?
Maxmuscle66
Being a novice here and a newbie in general, I wouldn't put much stock in what I am about to express here because I am just sort of thinking out loud...
I have been told to use anavar too at about the 40-50 mg level for 8-10 weeks... the reasons? I am one of those guys who want to gain quality muscle that will hang around after the cycle for one and secondly, I don't want to use injections... not because I am a pussy but because my significant other, if she saw needles around the house would automatically blow the whistle on me.
I have been giving it some very serious thought about what I could take and this is what, after some truly great advice from some awesome bros... I have come up with... I am not to positive about the amounts though:
week 1-4: d-bol @ 30 mg/day
week 1-8: winny @ 300 mg/week
week 1-9: noveldex @ 50 mg/day
week 9-10: clomid @ 100 mg/day
week 11: clomid @ 50 mg/day
Now, having said this I would like to have some feedback on this cycle... not comments like... "You are such a dumbass..." but rather like... "Good idea but I would adjust...."
Hopefully there will be some good suggestions and feedback to this post?
Maxmuscle66
Double that dosage and he'll have some really nice quality LBM/Strength gains...
split endz
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My first was 37.5 mg/ed of var. I gained 18 lbs eating a bulking diet(not clean), and kept about 10... not bad
I'm in week 5 of my first cycle 12 weeks Test e 500mg ew and 6 weeks Var 80mg ed and I sure am glad I didn't jam out on the test like I was thinking. Gains and strength in the first couple weeks from the var was awesome. If your not going to do the test at least do 70mg of var. When I started the var it made me sick for the first 3 or 4 days but that subsided and its all good now. It was cool how my friends noticed a big difference after 3 weeks
Crap this is a old thread
Crap this is a old thread
WinnyPumps
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40mg of pharm grade Var will be amazing. 80mg if it's UG is great too from my own experience. I am actually about to try pharm grade Var for the 1st time very soon, cannot wait. It's by far my favorite steroid besides Test.
