3000mg Test

[Parm]

I was reading a thread a few days ago about whether 1g of test a week would be too much for a first timer. Most of the guys on the board said that 1g would be way too much for a first timer. Interestingly, I was reading an old issue of MD which I still have. In there, a guy called Bruce Kneller who is supposed to be an expert on gear reccommended the following cycle for a first timer.

wk 1 3000mg of sus, cyp or enth, 25-50mg of d-bol per day, 25-50mg oral winny ed.

wk 2-4 1500mg of sus, enth or cyp, dbol and winny same as above.

wk 5-10 1000mg of sus, enth or cyp, 50mg tren ace ed.

Also on the last week he reccommended 500 IU's of HCG or HMG ed for 2-3 wks post cycle. He would also do 100mg of clomid or 1mg of Arimidex ed or eod.

His argument was that an individual makes their best gains from their first cycle, that's why this cycle is heavy.

Any thoughts?

 

[georgie2006]

For a recreational BBer like us 3k grams is obsessive.

do you plan on competeing?

if not then drop the subject.

 

[T-Matt]

I was reading a thread a few days ago about whether 1g of test a week would be too much for a first timer. Most of the guys on the board said that 1g would be way too much for a first timer. Interestingly, I was reading an old issue of MD which I still have. In there, a guy called Bruce Kneller who is supposed to be an expert on gear reccommended the following cycle for a first timer.

wk 1 3000mg of sus, cyp or enth, 25-50mg of d-bol per day, 25-50mg oral winny ed.

wk 2-4 1500mg of sus, enth or cyp, dbol and winny same as above.

wk 5-10 1000mg of sus, enth or cyp, 50mg tren ace ed.

Also on the last week he reccommended 500 IU's of HCG or HMG ed for 2-3 wks post cycle. He would also do 100mg of clomid or 1mg of Arimidex ed or eod.

His argument was that an individual makes their best gains from their first cycle, that's why this cycle is heavy.

Any thoughts?

hahahahahaha.. Good ole Brock Strasser.. He used to write over at T-Nation.. "Stasseroids".. Yeah, he's in jail.. He recommends that much probably b/c he had his own UGLab and wanted to sell his goods..

T-Matt

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I haven't read the article and I don't think Parm is thinking about doing it. I think Bruce (who's known to be very strong in the AAS knowledge dept) is going with the "fresh receptor" concept. Many folks say you should hit your first run very hard to take advantage of virgin receptors that will never react as strongly to AAS. A 3g frontload with a taper once bld levels are around 1g seems to achieve this. I don't agree with it but it has been talked about for some time now

 

[mr.nitro]

I was going to say the same thing, its just a frontload. not like your taking 3g the whole cycle

 

[BigCracker]

3K mgs/wk??? I'd be jerking off so much I'd have no time to train.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

3K mgs/wk??? I'd be jerking off so much I'd have no time to train.

Switch hands back and forth and you'll be Branch Warren before you know it LOL

 

[Parm]

Re georgie2006, na mate I don't plan on competing, it was just meant for discussion so I don't see why I should drop the subject.

 

[BigCracker]

Switch hands back and forth and you'll be Branch Warren before you know it LOL

If I smoke meth I can switch hands and gain one stroke in the process.

 

[georgie2006]

ok just a frontload, i just skimmed your original post. IMO you should be ok then running 1-1.5g week

just have AIFM or aromasin, nolva handy. eat clean watch your BP

 

[resqguy]

Coincidently, I have that same issue...September '03. It's an article called "MD's Steroid Guru Roundtable." It consists of Bruce Kneller, Dave Palumbo and John Romano. In that article, only Kneller suggests a cycle that aggressive. The other two guys suggest cycles that are WAY lighter.

 

[Qphoton]

For a recreational BBer like us 3k grams is obsessive.

do you plan on competeing?

if not then drop the subject.

who said i am a recreational bb?.......lol
peace man

 

[Nytol2]

Bruce talked shit, 1g is plenty for a 1st cycle, maybe too much.

 

[redsamurai]

you'd better work out for a living at those doses.....that's a shitload of gear for your body to metabolize. I mean, you'd better be working out a couple hours a day. Otherwise, your body is doing stuff with those hormones you might not want it to do........and bigcracker is right, the amount of recidivist masturbation that would be going on would make life difficult if you plan on having a job and lifting and other "life" things.......I'm coming off prop at 100-150mg's EOD and var......and I'm still touching my penis almost every night. I might have to ditch the leftie overhand grip here in a minute......gettin calloused bigtime.....

 

[solidspine]

300mg to 500mg test E per week for 10 weeks

no d-bol, no winny, no other bs, just do the test if you want to add any thing add deca.
anti-e and pct


over

 

[Tweakle]

wow.

3gs for a week would spike SHBG so high that the amount in your blood would mop up most of the gear you'd be running for the rest of the cycle.

frontloading is not a good idea.