2nd cylce

[austino123]

Depends on the ester you choose. Test prop and mast prop both should be ed or eod test e or c and mast e twice a week.


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So far my research has brought me to this...

I should inject every 3rd day for optimal regulation of blood levels:

week 1-12 125 mgs Test E
week 4-12 75 mgs Tren E

I would need to have caber and adex on hand for the possibility of prolactin and estrogen sides
doses:
cabergoline .25-.5 mgs/day
arimidex .25 mgs/day

I am unsure of when I should take these doses. when I start to have sides or immediately as a precaution?



PCT

I am unsure of how much and when HCG should be taken to boost my natural testosterone. I know its at the end of the cycle and the first week or two of PCT.

.25 mgs per day of clomid about two weeks after last cycle injection for 4 weeks.

Let's hear some more input

 

[joeblow12345]

So far my research has brought me to this...

I should inject every 3rd day for optimal regulation of blood levels:

week 1-12 125 mgs Test E
week 4-12 75 mgs Tren E

I would need to have caber and adex on hand for the possibility of prolactin and estrogen sides
doses:
cabergoline .25-.5 mgs/day
arimidex .25 mgs/day

I am unsure of when I should take these doses. when I start to have sides or immediately as a precaution?



PCT

I am unsure of how much and when HCG should be taken to boost my natural testosterone. I know its at the end of the cycle and the first week or two of PCT.

.25 mgs per day of clomid about two weeks after last cycle injection for 4 weeks.

Let's hear some more input

Ok you've done a little more research but you still don't understand. Especially with dosages and what to put where. So I will help you clarify. Hcg is not for pct, it's run before pct to kickstart the hpta. Clomid ran at 25 mg day during pct is effective. However without any other support supps your gonna feel like an emotional wreck. The recovery will take a little longer also. The support supps improve mood and sense of well being. They also raise natural test levels, reduce estrogen, lower shbg, increase free test, and detoxify your system. So if that doesn't sound like a good idea to you then don't use them. If your concerned about money wait until you see how much caber costs. Even legitimate research caber is pricey, pharma grade is ridiculous. If your gonna run tren you need more. One vial isn't enough to run a solid dose. The minimum dose of tren e I'd suggest is 300 mg week, that's 1 1/2 ml a week. For 10 weeks that's 15 ml. On tren you will get high bp for that I take n2guard. If you only run mast and test then I suggest running both at 400 mg week. I think I covered most of it if there's anything else let me know.


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[bonacris]

You don't have enough tren and aren't running it long enough. Tren e is a long eater.. you should run ace instead so you can back off if sides get too much and it will clear the system quicker.. Clomid only isn't gonna help you recover, especially from cycle as suppressive as this..

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[-SD-]

Tren E is worse than Tren Ace if its a first time running tren because it stays in the body lot longer. But you shouldnt even be hitting tren on a second cycle anyhow. Hardness and low bodyfat and all that comes from diet and training primarily.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Tren is like a 3rd cycle.... or further out.....ya probably 4th or 5th so you have a grasp on how to run a cycle...it is a science.

 

[austino123]

Thanks for the input guys.

As disappointed as I am I don't think I'll be using tren. I can wait until next year for a cycle like this.

Somebody has mentioned masteron in an earlier post. So far my search has lead me to believe this is the way to go. Because of masterons natural AI properties it mixes very well with the test e that I have.

Thinking

Week 1-10 test e 400mg
Week 1-10 masteron e 400mgs

Adex on hand but it sounds like I shouldn't need it
HCG to boost natty test immediately after cycle. Dosages?

And for PCT clomid and ?

Also i have a question about the support supps almost everyone uses on this forum; can I get the same supps (possibly cheaper) at a different site? The reason why I ask is because if the stuff works and has been working why isn't there someone else offering the same product?

 

[notjake11]

The sheer fact that you are willing to listen to advice from the people here that know there shit and are willing to back off using tren shows a lot more common sense than most who come here looking for help. Keep that atttitude and you'll be on the right path.

With those two compounds, aromasin 12.5 mg eod is far better option than adex. You'll also want HCGenerate and a few other things. Look through any thread where Dylan has recommended a cycle and use the exact PCT he recommends if you want the best results.

 

[Rockwilder]

Masteron at 15% BF is not really a good idea IMO. You would want to get down to around 10% first...so you could really get the gains you want to see from it.

For your goals of hardness and lean mass gains, you could go with a T-Bol kicker and/or Var finisher.

 

[austino123]

The sheer fact that you are willing to listen to advice from the people here that know there shit and are willing to back off using tren shows a lot more common sense than most who come here looking for help. Keep that atttitude and you'll be on the right path.

With those two compounds, aromasin 12.5 mg eod is far better option than adex. You'll also want HCGenerate and a few other things. Look through any thread where Dylan has recommended a cycle and use the exact PCT he recommends if you want the best results.

How do I find the Dylan cycle threads you are referring to? I tried a search but it comes back with way too much erroneous info...

 

[bonacris]

Look for his thread Dylan gemelli carved from ice.. its the 1st post where he mentions his PCT

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