2nd cycle

[Essie]

Andriol, by far not most effective compound I have researched. Because of this fact, that your gains : price ratio is poor, I have never used it. However, all my research has led me to believe that 120mg/day is not going to be nearly enough, even though I tend to think that it should have some effect seeing that you are combining it with other forms of Test in your body. Perhaps someone else on here has experience with this compound? According to all research the sides are very small, even at dosages of 600mg/day, which atually is the recommended dosage for this compound, so you should be safe upping the dosage to 200mg if you have enough of it to see you through your cycle length. It has an active half-life of less than 8hrs, so I suppose it would be okay to still use it for the 3 weeks following your last Sus pin and then starting with PCT following that.

 

[Essie]

Thanks Essie.

I have been training for 2.5 years. Last 2 years solid. I was a "skinny fat" person - if you know what I mean. I had BF % of around 26% and I was weighing lb 145

I am eating very clean since 2 years and very watchful of my portions. After I reached a plateau I decided to start using gear.

The reason for Clen is that I want to eat like an animal during the cycle (still clean) without worrying about my bf%. I really want to bulk up this cycle and pack some descent muscle tissue.

The Clen dosage I suggested is the absolute minimum that I could find and I am also aware it works in 2 weeks on/off. I will follow it with some normal fat burner like oxyelite pro.

Not even sure if my dosage is enough to have any fat burning effect. I read dosage of up to 180mcg but I ain't gonna take that route. I am aware of the heart risks.

Cheers mate

Only a pleasure Bud!

I used to think that I was a hardgainer as well, but once I got the right person to help me get my Carb : Protein : Fat ratio and Train:Rest ratio correct I started to notice something happen - I went from 63kg (138lbs) to 82kg (180lbs) over 3 years, that is roughly 14.5lbs a year, which might not sound like a lot, but for clean gains it's not bad and 180lbs all natural is nice. I have been battling to break through that plateau for a long time and decided to turn to gear.

Perhaps you are just one of those people who's genes don't work together well with your physical demands and aspirations

Clen ... something you'll either dislike or HATE . The shakes and sweats are the worst for me when on this, but it works. Your structure for Clen usage does not seem quite right, personally. Take note - ONLY UP THE DOSE IF YOU FEEL YOU CAN HANDLE THE SIDES! IF YOU UP THE DOSE AND FEEL HORRID THAT DAY, REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS DOSAGE YOU WERE ON. Day1= 20mcg; Day2= 40mcg; Day3= 60mcg; Day4+5= 80mcg; Day6-Day12= 100mcg; Day13= 80 mcg; Day14= 60 mcgs and then off. It is also advisable to use T3 with Clen as Clen negatively affects the T3 conversion in you liver. Oh yes ... almost forgot (had to edit the post to add this bit of crucial info in) - at least 1.5 - 2 gallons of water/day while on this and do not take after 16:00 - preferably in the mornings as this shit will keep you up at night for sure.