2nd cycle : Test E / Dbol

[xyz-11]

thinking of doin cycle # 2.
1st one consisted of a 12 week Test e/dbol cycle. All was good.
I hit up some Nolva in my 3rd week as the nipples becae sensative. Cleared it up within a few days. Clomid Post cycle.
Dose was 500mg/week Test, 25mg dbol/day

Here is where i need some input on my 2nd.

Picked up some Liquidex and Liquid fem ( letrozole) -- Both 30 ml@ 1mg/ml
Also got my nolva and clomid.

2x 10 ml Test e and dbol so it would only be a 10 week cycle

- 500mg/test E / week - for 10 weeks
- 25mg/dbol / day - for 4 weeks

Clomid post cycle.

NOW here is the question as Im confused.

Is Liquid Fem or Liquidex suppose to be ingested 2 weeks prior to the cycle start to prevent the ester buildup??? Or something along those lines
Or do both have the same purpose and should be taken if any gyno side effects come up ??

I do have nolva for the gyno as well but I would rather take one of the 2 I have a week or 2 prior to the cycle to prevent any gyno of forming during the cycle.

p.s Or is the stuff I have to prevent the bloat ??
Also which one will give me a hard time with libido

Bros pls fill me in on some of this to get me on the right track, Thanks

 

[xrsist]

nolvadex will only block the estro to the nips.
adex or liquidex will remove a good amount of estro from the body.
liquid fem will remove almost all estro from the body which isnt recommended unless lumps start to form under the skin.

use liquidex if nips become sensitive, no need to use it before a cycle

 

[Cryptlord]

Cycle:
wk 1-4 Dbol 25mg
wk 1-10 Test 500mg

Post Cycle:
wk 13 Clomid 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED
wk 14 Clomid 50mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED
wk 13 Clomid 50mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED

And as far as the gyno prevention just take nolvadex at 20mg ED and letro at 1.25mg ED if you get any issues. That will clear it up right away. I usually run a low dose of letro like 0.25mg EOD with nolvadex 10mg EOD just to be safe. Im gyno prone.

 

[10001110101]

yeah only use the AI if you have to, good for lipids, sex drive, overall well being. then if you get gyno issues use as little as possible. like if you say you noticed gyno before at 3 weeks in this would be a good time to start the liquidex or liquifem try them at half dosages 2x a week see if that helps (they both have really long half lives so you can run them 2x a week and still have effective estro suppression.

also nolva is preferred for good lipid profiles. so if you dont need AI's don't use them. they are only necessary if you are doing contest prep/cutting imo

 

[big greg 82]

all good advice.

 

[jumpmaster82]

i would go with the adex before i used the fem. if the adex isnt doing the trick then use the fem.

 

[xyz-11]

All great advice. Thanks for the help...

I also though of using a-dex before ferma if anything happens.
But what amount should I run the A-dex? 1.25mg Ed if I have gyno issues or should I just take 0.25 EOD to prevent anything. As I stated before. 1st cycle. My nipples became sensative @ 3 weeks of dbol. Only took nolva and it cleared up.

Now I also have some fatty tissue behind the nipple., Im sure its not gyno but would any of the stuff I have clear that up possibly ???


Is the PCT ok
wk 13 Clomid 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED
wk 14 Clomid 50mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED
wk 15 Clomid 50mg


Or should I just take clomid alone as I did in my 1st cycle.

 

[GUARDIAN]

All great advice. Thanks for the help...

I also though of using a-dex before ferma if anything happens. save femara for aggressively combating gyno. it will kill about 98% of all estrogen. a little estrogen is a good thing.
But what amount should I run the A-dex? 1.25mg Ed if I have gyno issues or should I just take 0.25 EOD to prevent anything. .5 eod or .25 ed As I stated before. 1st cycle. My nipples became sensative @ 3 weeks of dbol. Only took nolva and it cleared up.

Now I also have some fatty tissue behind the nipple., Im sure its not gyno but would any of the stuff I have clear that up possibly ??? do u have a higher BF%


Is the PCT ok
wk 13 Clomid 100mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED never liked the idea of AI's for pct. the nolva and clomid will be good enuf.
wk 14 Clomid 50mg / Nolvadex 20mg / Arimidex 0.5mg ED
wk 15 Clomid 50mg


Or should I just take clomid alone as I did in my 1st cycle.

^^^^^

 

[todoveritas]

Amen to above. You NEED a little estrogen for bio processes (not to mention it greatly aids in mass building) that's why most ranchers give their steers estradiol in the first place. I always advise Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for mass cycles, aromatase inhibitor and E-suiciders for cutting and/or gynecomastia.

 

[xyz-11]

Great thanks for all the feedback ..much appreciated...