2nd cycle help

[mc33]

okay im am a new member here and want to start off by saying hello to everyone.....
okay so i have taken a cyclye of test ethanate before by itself really didn't do proper research before i took it and got good results but nothing i was really lookin for. i am currently 23 years old 6'0 210 kinda chubby in the stomach area but dieting and running to try to lose that weight. I have a big build but my muscles are very soft looking and i really have no definition.

i am looking to cut up and maybe gain little size, rather be more tone i have a good frame as is.
i want to run
12 weeks test (cyp or eth) 400mg per week
10 weeks deca(wanted to do eq cant get my hands on it at all)300mgperweek
weeks 4thru6 winny 250 per week
weeks 8 thru 11 var 60 mg per week

please let me no if there is a better test to run rather than cyp or eth and which is best?

are my dosages a good?

now for my cycle therapy i have done so much research on this subject just cant figure out what to buy and y to buy it.
I am prone to (*****)tits so what should i take Liquidex? AIMF
what else is there to take
Clomid for pct waht else?
any help on these questions would greatly be appreciated
Thanks in advance
ps. i know diet is imortant i will be seeing a dietician before i start the cycle

 

[Makavelli]

That looks good bro. I personally prefer ent to cyp. I hold a ton of water on cyp. I'm not sure why there is a difference for me, since the ester is only a little longer with cyp. Definitely get some arimidex and use 1 mg/day. Also add in Nolvadex at 20 mgs/day during the cycle and PCT. Start the clomid a week after your last shot of cyp and continue for at least 3 weeks, preferably 4 since you're using deca. Keep using the arimidex during PCT.

 

[jmead]

That looks good bro. I personally prefer ent to cyp. I hold a ton of water on cyp. I'm not sure why there is a difference for me, since the ester is only a little longer with cyp. Definitely get some arimidex and use 1 mg/day. Also add in Nolvadex at 20 mgs/day during the cycle and PCT. Start the clomid a week after your last shot of cyp and continue for at least 3 weeks, preferably 4 since you're using deca. Keep using the arimidex during PCT.

nolvadex during cycle with deca is a bad idea, it upregulates the PR, progesterone out the ass.. nolva makes it worse.. youll get deca gyno alot easier.. just stick with an AI, like letro/aromasin/arimidex/or aifm from anafit.com to supress estrogen and help keep progesterone in check, if youd like buy some dostinex or cabergoline to suppress prolactin levels if lactation occurs from high progesterone..

your gonna hold alot of water on that test deca cycle.. its basically a bread and butter bulking cycle.. not really for "toneing"

id suggest dropping the deca and maybe just run winny for 4-6 wks, maybe even switch to a different ester of test.. test p 100mg EOD/winny 50mg ED 6-8wks cycle would be alot more useful for your goals..

your PCT will consist of clomid/your AI/nolvadex/hcg if needed (if your balls are shrivled)..

jmead

 

[Makavelli]

nolvadex during cycle with deca is a bad idea, it upregulates the PR, progesterone out the ass.. nolva makes it worse.. youll get deca gyno alot easier.. just stick with an AI, like letro/aromasin/arimidex/or aifm from anafit.com to supress estrogen and help keep progesterone in check, if youd like buy some dostinex or cabergoline to suppress prolactin levels if lactation occurs from high progesterone..

your gonna hold alot of water on that test deca cycle.. its basically a bread and butter bulking cycle.. not really for "toneing"

id suggest dropping the deca and maybe just run winny for 4-6 wks, maybe even switch to a different ester of test.. test p 100mg EOD/winny 50mg ED 6-8wks cycle would be alot more useful for your goals..

your PCT will consist of clomid/your AI/nolvadex/hcg if needed (if your balls are shrivled)..

jmead

I know I've read that about nolva up regulating the PR, but I've never experienced it and neither have any of the guys I've helped. Particularly when using winstrol.

 

[mc33]

makavelli do u think i should stop runnin the decca should i change to tes prop instead of the eth or cyp.... i know some people that took decca in there cuttin cycle they looked good after it

 

[solidspine]

I think for a second cycle, keep it simple,

just Deca and Test E or C

Week 1-12 Test 400mg each week
Week 1-12 Deca 400mg each week

Anti – E’s

AIFM, Liquidex


PCT

HCG
AIFM
Nolvadex
Liquidex


I suppose the anavar is fine, but I would wait a while on the winny.

 

[mc33]

how come i should wait on the winny just wonderin i wanted to cut doesn't winny help cut???

 

[2002busa]

mc, winny does not help you "cut" per say, mainly it helps harden u up and adds a buttload of strenght.

IMO, runnin winny is ok IF you have your bf% in check, meaning sub 14%... anything higher for me and your not gonna see the results you want.

You have the correct mindset goin in though, diet is KEY!

I like soildspine's recommendation above, keep it simple, your still young and you will see some incredible results with the test e/deca.

best of luck bro

 

[solidspine]

how come i should wait on the winny just wonderin i wanted to cut doesn't winny help cut???

Gear does not (except DNP & Clen, T3, T4) help you cut, that is a function of diet.

 

[rg78]

nolvadex during cycle with deca is a bad idea, it upregulates the PR, progesterone out the ass.. nolva makes it worse.. youll get deca gyno alot easier..

jmead

Dont believe everything you read

 

[mc33]

Thanyk you so much for everyones input please any more info is greatly appreciated

 

[digit0x]

Those two together are going to make you hold a lot of water weight... tho the key to 'toneing' is excersize and diet, I suggest trying something else besides deca.

 

[mc33]

Is there any thing i can take to reduce the water retention

 

[thezan]

drink H20, add an AI, reduce sodium intake to think of a few

 

[225mygoal]

guys,

i use to make the same mistake, you can never and I challenge anyone to tel me otherwise have a "cutting cycle" and do test, I don't care what kind of test it is, there are 2 stages a catabolic or anabolic stage you will lose in the first one and gain in the second.

Now deca is the miracle drug you can essantially be on it all year long it can and will increase "lean body mass" this does not mean it will cut, test will and always bloat you so do not and I repeat do not use test in a cutting cycles you must learn the pharmokentics of drugs. I highly recommend the
"anabolics user guide" this wil explain the basics of every steroid we take.

Now the definition of a steriod is as follows: "anything that can change your metabolic state can and will be considered a steroid".

225mygoal

 

[jmead]

I know I've read that about nolva up regulating the PR, but I've never experienced it and neither have any of the guys I've helped. Particularly when using winstrol.

i think this post is a repeat.. winstrol is downregulating the PR, not sure about the mechanism, and the nolva is upregulating.. so you rarely see sides, but use of nolva isnt really warranted if your using an AI, just keep it on hand.. i just wouldnt risk it, since its proven

 

[Makavelli]

i think this post is a repeat.. winstrol is downregulating the PR, not sure about the mechanism, and the nolva is upregulating.. so you rarely see sides, but use of nolva isnt really warranted if your using an AI, just keep it on hand.. i just wouldnt risk it, since its proven

Yeah I know winstrol counteracts the PR up regulation. I always run Nolva for the cholesterol benefits as well as the anti e effects.

 

[Makavelli]

makavelli do u think i should stop runnin the decca should i change to tes prop instead of the eth or cyp.... i know some people that took decca in there cuttin cycle they looked good after it

I prefer to run EQ when cutting, but deca can be used. If you want to hold less water run the prop, but you can use ent and still stay dry. You just have to use enough AI and you'll be fine.

 

[mc33]

how much ai should i use