2nd cycle. Critique for me guys!

[Cal_21]

I'm 22. 5'11 257 or so, don't know my bf % but it's pretty high. I'm not overly sloppy fat though. I'm just a big dude. I'm going to cut another 10 lbs before cycling. I'm going to carb cycle while on. Carbs 40% below baseline for 3 days then one day 15% above, then repeat. Going for about 250g protein a day. As many veggies and greens as I can fit in my stomach. Lots of beans, some sweet potatoes, fresh fruit once or twice a day. close to 2 gals of water a day, no other liquids (cept whey and water).

First cycle was 250mg of test e (crappy test) Shot once a week. I could feel my test levels feel through the roof, and then be too low by day 6 or so. Definitely trying to keep my blood levels stable. I cut with my last cycle and rehabbed my shoulder. I lost probably 20 lbs of fat or more. Gained a few lbs of muscle. Got harder, a bit less of a fat boy.

planned 2nd cycle

1-10 Sustanon 500mg (.6-.7ml shot 3 times a week)

1-4 Turanabol 50mg ED

Test p 100mg EOD for 2 weeks for a kickstart & saturate my body with a good level of test.

Hcg 3-10 500 iu's shot once a week.

11-12 clomid 50mg ed
13-14 clomid 25mg ed
Might throw in derma, not sure yet.

 

[Cal_21]

Oh yeah basically I'm going for a lean bulker. I'm going to do cardio 4-5 times a week. Lift 4 times a week. Doing Arnold's routine that I found online lol.

 

[Faizakafez]

are u serious about arnold's routine?

from my encylodpiedia and stuff its recipice for over-training.. i would keep the cardio in however.

why not runn win for the last 6 weeks

and possibly some eq? at 600 mg ew..

kinda lean bulker with hopes of burning fat.

 

[Cal_21]

are u serious about arnold's routine?

from my encylodpiedia and stuff its recipice for over-training.. i would keep the cardio in however.

why not runn win for the last 6 weeks

and possibly some Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - ? at 600 mg ew..

kinda lean bulker with hopes of burning fat.

Well I'd adjust it somewhat to suit my body. Cut out a few sets here and there accordingly. I'd cut the ab stuff down a lot too. Even though I probably need it lol.

Winn sounds good. I just already have the Turanabol. I was thinking of a win, test p, var cycle in a bit or a eq, sus, win cycle in the future though.

I could extend the Turanabol 6 weeks & run it at the end. With the test p kickstart & the short-medium esters of the sus I probably wouldnt need the Turanabol in the beginning. Makes sense.

 

[Jon79]

fag cycle


lol

 

[Cal_21]

fag cycle


lol

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm 22. 5'11 257 or so, don't know my bf % but it's pretty high. I'm not overly sloppy fat though. I'm just a big dude. I'm going to cut another 10 lbs before cycling. I'm going to carb cycle while on. Carbs 40% below baseline for 3 days then one day 15% above, then repeat. Going for about 250g protein a day. As many veggies and greens as I can fit in my stomach. Lots of beans, some sweet potatoes, fresh fruit once or twice a day. close to 2 gals of water a day, no other liquids (cept whey and water).

First cycle was 250mg of testosterone enanthate (crappy test) Shot once a week. I could feel my test levels feel through the roof, and then be too low by day 6 or so. Definitely trying to keep my blood levels stable. I cut with my last cycle and rehabbed my shoulder. I lost probably 20 lbs of fat or more. Gained a few lbs of muscle. Got harder, a bit less of a fat boy.

planned 2nd cycle

1-10 Sustanon 500mg (.6-.7ml shot 3 times a week)

1-4 Turanabol 50mg ED

Test p 100mg EOD for 2 weeks for a kickstart & saturate my body with a good level of test.

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 3-10 500 iu's shot once a week.

11-12 clomid 50mg ed
13-14 clomid 25mg ed
Might throw in derma, not sure yet.

This can work bro. Adding some winny would be cool to.

 

[Jon79]

This can work bro. Adding some Winstrol - stanozolol would be cool to.

hes 2 fat for winny lol

 

[Jon79]

i's only playin

 

[Cal_21]

hes 2 fat for Winstrol - stanozolol lol

lol

 

[23CALIBRO]

hes 2 fat for Winstrol - stanozolol lol

ha....!, harsh, but ha.....!

 

[Jon79]

ha....!, harsh, but ha.....!

lol

cal knows im playin

 

[Cal_21]

ha....!, harsh, but ha.....!

My obese streak will soon be over lol. I know how to work hard.

 

[23CALIBRO]

My obese streak will soon be over lol. I know how to work hard.

Bro i'm coming off of an injury, i know the feeling....

 

[needtogetaas]

hes 2 fat for Winstrol - stanozolol lol

 

[Cal_21]

Bro i'm coming off of an injury, i know the feeling....

Me too.

Good luck w/ your recovery. Tbol helped my collarbone a LOT.

 

[Jon79]

lol

 

[Cal_21]

You guys think i should extend the tbol to 6 weeks @ 50mg ed?

 

[nzrodney]

I'm 22. 5'11 257 or so, don't know my bf % but it's pretty high. I'm not overly sloppy fat though. I'm just a big dude. I'm going to cut another 10 lbs before cycling. I'm going to carb cycle while on. Carbs 40% below baseline for 3 days then one day 15% above, then repeat. Going for about 250g protein a day. As many veggies and greens as I can fit in my stomach. Lots of beans, some sweet potatoes, fresh fruit once or twice a day. close to 2 gals of water a day, no other liquids (cept whey and water).

First cycle was 250mg of testosterone enanthate (crappy test) Shot once a week. I could feel my test levels feel through the roof, and then be too low by day 6 or so. Definitely trying to keep my blood levels stable. I cut with my last cycle and rehabbed my shoulder. I lost probably 20 lbs of fat or more. Gained a few lbs of muscle. Got harder, a bit less of a fat boy.

planned 2nd cycle

1-10 Sustanon 500mg (.6-.7ml shot 3 times a week)

1-4 Turanabol 50mg ED

Test p 100mg EOD for 2 weeks for a kickstart & saturate my body with a good level of test.

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 3-10 500 iu's shot once a week.

11-12 clomid 50mg ed
13-14 clomid 25mg ed
Might throw in derma, not sure yet.

This cycle is more a bulker than a cutter. But theres nothing wrong with that. Its about diet & intensity in the gym that gets fat burning in place. the more muscle you have on your body the faster the metabolism will be. Personally I would not use Sust again. Its too hard to administer in small doses to keep bloods even. Better to go plain ol TestE. T.bol is a good mild oral & shows less water rentention than D.Bol Or D.rol. the kickstart with prop is useful but once you have finished you may notice a bit of a fall off in levels. Maybe taper off as the sust kicks in. Good luck. Go hard!

 

[Cal_21]

This cycle is more a bulker than a cutter. But theres nothing wrong with that. Its about diet & intensity in the gym that gets fat burning in place. the more muscle you have on your body the faster the metabolism will be. Personally I would not use Sustanon again. Its too hard to administer in small doses to keep bloods even. Better to go plain ol testosterone enanthate. T.bol is a good mild oral & shows less water rentention than D.Bol Or D.rol. the kickstart with testosterone propionate is useful but once you have finished you may notice a bit of a fall off in levels. Maybe taper off as the Sustanon kicks in. Good luck. Go hard!

Thanks man. I'm going to have enough to do test e for ten weeks instead. I might do that. I'm still on the fence. I figure I'm going to save the cutter drugs for when It'll show more. For now I want to gain as much as I can (without putting on ridiculous water weight) Then once I have more muscle I'll cut again later. I'm going to rely on my training and diet to lean up for now.

 

[xrsist]

looks good cal, although i wouldnt worrie about the pro.p, you got the tbol so no need for another kick starter
sust twice a week is fine bro
i like the idea of winny at the end

 

[Cal_21]

looks good cal, although i wouldnt worrie about the pro.p, you got the Turanabol so no need for another kick starter
Sustanon twice a week is fine bro
i like the idea of Winstrol - stanozolol at the end

Hmmm. I'm starting to like the idea of winni too actually. lol

Oh yeah, I remember omega saying the blood levels from twice a week were really good. So i'll just do that. Makes my life a lot easier lol.

 

[xrsist]

Hmmm. I'm starting to like the idea of winni too actually. lol

Oh yeah, I remember omega saying the blood levels from twice a week were really good. So i'll just do that. Makes my life a lot easier lol.

yep omega is a good bro

 

[nzrodney]

Hmmm. I'm starting to like the idea of winni too actually. lol

Oh yeah, I remember omega saying the blood levels from twice a week were really good. So i'll just do that. Makes my life a lot easier lol.

Ha Ha Buddy you wont once you start injecting it ED or EOD. But its a great harding & strength drug if you can stand the sides.

 

[xrsist]

Ha Ha Buddy you wont once you start injecting it ED or EOD. But its a great harding & strength drug if you can stand the sides.

i agree so imo drink it or just use the oral tabs

 

[Cal_21]

i agree so imo drink it or just use the oral tabs

I was thinking of tabs if I do it. Especially if I'm taking it during a test p cycle. The side im most worried about is hairloss. Hmmm. I should know more about how prone i am to hair loss with the test bumped to 500mg ew.

 

[BIGMIke007]

Why clomid???? run Nolva, its stronger, raises T levels more with less side effects. Dont know where the clomid craze comes from.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Why clomid???? run Nolva, its stronger, raises T levels more with less side effects. Dont know where the clomid craze comes from.

clomid works better for me. u r right though, nolva is more effective at much lower doses than nolva.

 

[Cal_21]

Hmmm I'm open to giving nolvadex a shot.

 

[02gixxersix]

I'd drop the prop and shoot the Sust twice a week. That's not the usual clomid therapy but may work for you. Usually with longer esters clomid starts 3 weeks after the last shot and the first day is 300mgs, then 100mgs for a week and 50mgs for 2 weeks after that if I remember correctly. I hate clomid though so if it was me I would drop it and run nolva instead. Clomid makes me break out and feel like shit.

 

[Cal_21]

I'd drop the testosterone propionate and shoot the Sustanon twice a week. That's not the usual clomid therapy but may work for you. Usually with longer esters clomid starts 3 weeks after the last shot and the first day is 300mgs, then 100mgs for a week and 50mgs for 2 weeks after that if I remember correctly. I hate clomid though so if it was me I would drop it and run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - instead. Clomid makes me break out and feel like shit.

I'm going to go with nolva. Omega and xrist convinced me to shoot it twice a week also. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[slat1]

1-10 Sustanon 500mg (.6-.7ml shot 3 times a week)
Shoot it twice a week. Keep it simple.
1-4 Turanabol 50mg ED
I don't touch orals so I will not comment
Test p 100mg EOD for 2 weeks for a kickstart & saturate my body with a good level of test.
You don't need to kick start with Sustanon. It has the kick start built in. Even if you were not using Sustanon and something that built up slower what is the point of the Turanabol at the beginning? Usually that is the kickstart!?!? After all you spoke of keeping your levels even. Do it this way and they are a mess!
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 3-10 500 iu's shot once a week.
Some guys like that protocol. Not me. You can desensitize your lh2 using it that often. The hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - is very complex.
11-12 clomid 50mg ed
13-14 clomid 25mg ed
You want to start your clomid after the esters clear not during.
Might throw in derma, not sure yet.

My thoughts are above.

 

[Cal_21]

UPDATED!

planned 2nd cycle

1-10 Sustanon 500mg (250mg shot twice a week)

7-10 Turanabol 50mg ED

Still on the fence about
HCG wks 3-10 500 iu's shot once a week.
14 days after my last shot of sus:
nolvadex 40mg ed
nolva 40mg ed
nolva 20mg ed
nolva 20mg ed

 

[Cal_21]

My thoughts are above.

Thanks slat!

 

[OMEGA]

yep omega is a good bro

good bros only exist when other good bros exist!

 

[xrsist]

I'd drop the testosterone propionate and shoot the Sustanon twice a week. That's not the usual clomid therapy but may work for you. Usually with longer esters clomid starts 3 weeks after the last shot and the first day is 300mgs, then 100mgs for a week and 50mgs for 2 weeks after that if I remember correctly. I hate clomid though so if it was me I would drop it and run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - instead. Clomid makes me break out and feel like shit.

im guessing its because you frontload it bro, i hear alot of bros complain about clomid and i think its generally because they all seem to fromtload it
no need to frontload clomid
50mg ED for 4 weeks is perfect

 

[slat1]

im guessing its because you frontload it bro, i hear alot of bros complain about clomid and i think its generally because they all seem to fromtload it
no need to frontload clomid
50mg ED for 4 weeks is perfect

I front load it without issues. Well, I did cry watching Full House one day...

 

[Cal_21]

I front load it without issues. Well, I did cry watching Full House one day...

So did I bro. No need to blame the chems. You're amongst friends.

 

[xrsist]

I front load it without issues. Well, I did cry watching Full House one day...

iv never frontloaded and im fine on clomid, sometimes a little depressed in the 4th week of pct but thats it
i do hate nolva tho

 

[Cal_21]

good bros only exist when other good bros exist!

I am going to call you BROmega from now on.

 

[Cal_21]

iv never frontloaded and im fine on clomid, sometimes a little depressed in the 4th week of PCT - post cycle therapy - but thats it
i do hate Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - tho

What sides did you experience on nolvadex? What were your experiences? I'm curious.

 

[OMEGA]

OK! lol

 

[xrsist]

What sides did you experience on nolvadex? What were your experiences? I'm curious.

troubling getting a good nights sleep as i was always tense and couldnt relax
wanted to kill many people arond me
traffic lights pissed me off more than usual
naver again cal

 

[Cal_21]

troubling getting a good nights sleep as i was always tense and couldnt relax
wanted to kill many people arond me
traffic lights pissed me off more than usual
naver again cal

Holy crap lol.

Guess I'm going to have to do more research on nolv & clom...or maybe ride the Derma train? hmmm