2nd cycle advice?

[oxezo]

Hi guys i think this should be a good 2nd cycle :

test -e 500 mg/week 1-12
deca 400mg/week 1-10
dbol 30mg/day week 1-4

AI anastrozolo 0.5 3 x week - 1-12
HCG 500ui /week - 2-14

PCT
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

My first cycle was 500mg/week test -e and i'll wait 6 months before the 2nd cycle

 

[bigorse]

tried and true bulking cycle. incease test to 15 weeks and deca to 14. deca is a long ester you want no less than 14 weeks imo.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

 

[oxezo]

ok i'll do 15 test and 14 deca ty.
I read something about caber... do i need it?

 

[Saiyan7]

Caber is like an AI. Some need it. Some don't. But you should always have it and in general, it's safer to run it then waiting around for symptoms.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

If u run arimidex from the start more than likely don't need caber...

Caber is used in case your nips start producing milk or lactating...

Run the test 2 weeks after the last deca injection...

 

[oxezo]

guys dianabol is better as a kickstarter o for the last 4 week of cycle?

 

[Saiyan7]

Definitely better as a Kickstarter.

 

[oxezo]

saiyan you too think that it's better 16week test and 14 deca instead of 12 and 10 ?

 

[Saiyan7]

saiyan you too think that it's better 16week test and 14 deca instead of 12 and 10 ?

Yes. The extra few weeks will make a big difference.

 

[bigorse]

another thing to consider is saiyin, johny and i all stay on and recovery is not an issue. if you are going to run deca then the longer cycle is necessary but i would strongly suggest looking into NPP and test prop instead

 

[charger69mx]

Personal preference is sost instead of test e. I also keep decca for about 8 weeks.

 

[oxezo]

what's NPP?

 

[Saiyan7]

Npp is essentially a shorter ester form of deca. Gets in and out quicker. So you can run it in shorter cycles.

 

[bigorse]

Npp is essentially a shorter ester form of deca. Gets in and out quicker. So you can run it in shorter cycles.

exactly, deca from what i hear is very hard to recover from for those who cycle off. NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate) will give the same benefits as deca and should allow for easier recovery. needs to be pinned more frequently though.

 

[oxezo]

guys just a question... i just finished my first cycle ( yesterday did last pin ) , when should i expect lose of weight? in the period between last pin and start pct , during pct or after pct ? and what do you think about doing a cycle of creatine? to "save" size ?

 

[bigorse]

guys just a question... i just finished my first cycle ( yesterday did last pin ) , when should i expect lose of weight? in the period between last pin and start pct , during pct or after pct ? and what do you think about doing a cycle of creatine? to "save" size ?

start your creatine now man. no real point in saving it, may aswell use it year round.

 

[Thenewera]

It seems solid.. I usually like the rule of thumb 1:1.5 deca test ratio.. Nothing for sure set just somewhat around that.. I'm on 750test 400deca - you get the point. As for length.. I feel 12 and 14 deca/test is a good idea. Best of luck.

++ caber is basically for side effects such as prolactin ect
++ nolvadex would be more so for a classic PCT instead of an AI- but you could make due. I just wouldn't overdose it or even dose it daily.
++ look into arimidex for your AI if possible

Best of luck. I would start the caber week 3 if you have it. Dosing varied. Find what fits.