Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Thoughts on using gear at 21 instead of the recommended 25? I read somewhere that while the risks at 21 are greater, there isn't a huge difference as far as long term shutdown, hpta damage, etc. Given training is on track for 3-4 yrs, diet is in order, and genetic capabilities are close to being reached, is there a major concern?
21 vs 25
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kx250rider
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I'm NOT a doctor, but based on the reading and general picking up of theories I've gathered, the younger you are, the more likely your endocrine system is to get altered by Gear. But with that said, some boys/men start shaving at age 11, and are totally out of puberty by 15, and I would guess that it's less likely that Gear at 21 would be a problem for them (vs. men like me, who didn't really have to shave every day 'til 30, etc). Definitely it's wise to know your Testosterone and estrogen levels before starting any cycle, and then check them again several months after you're off everything, and be sure your own testosterone production normalized back to what it was before. If it didn't, then you might have to use testosterone maintenance, and that's a hassle if you're only in your early 20s....
Repeating: I'm not an expert, and I'm only offering a personal opinion.
Charles
Repeating: I'm not an expert, and I'm only offering a personal opinion.
Charles
Major concern health wise no. They are just as dangerous at 25 as when your 21. The issue is most 21 year olds have very high natural levels and can make great gains without them. So its best to wait until you actually need steroids to push the genetic barrier further. The only thing I would suggest a 21 year old take is protein, creatine, multis, and maybe a natty test booster like daa, if they feel like their training needs a boost. Steroids are not necessary.
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if you start that young you should make sure you are ready to commit to this lifestyle.
it is expensive, it is addictive, and it takes a lot of time out of your life. taking all the health factors away for a second just think of the money you are gonna spend on this rather than invest in your education, business, or career and decide if the money factor is gonna click for you. then look at the health risks in terms of the younger you start the sooner you will be on HRT. it is likely you will continue cycling for years and years to come as the muscle gains will become hard to get away from and you will want to continue building muscle.
it makes more sense to live your life and figure out everything. then once you get your shit together and have the money and time to spend on this amazing lifestyle you are ready.
if you see yourself as a weekend warrior (as 99.9% of guys your age do) then you should NOT mess with steroids yet simply because you can be a weekend warrior without them. when i was your age i had a gym membership but i would go 2X per week .. MAYBE 3X. i owned my own house, I had a business going.. those were my priorities, NOT lifting. once i got older and had the time and money is when i decided to open the can of worms.. been absolutely addicted since... i workout EVERYDAY. yes EVERYDAY.. if its not the gym it will be like what i did this weekend .. i hiked 3X about 15 miles total
it is expensive, it is addictive, and it takes a lot of time out of your life. taking all the health factors away for a second just think of the money you are gonna spend on this rather than invest in your education, business, or career and decide if the money factor is gonna click for you. then look at the health risks in terms of the younger you start the sooner you will be on HRT. it is likely you will continue cycling for years and years to come as the muscle gains will become hard to get away from and you will want to continue building muscle.
it makes more sense to live your life and figure out everything. then once you get your shit together and have the money and time to spend on this amazing lifestyle you are ready.
if you see yourself as a weekend warrior (as 99.9% of guys your age do) then you should NOT mess with steroids yet simply because you can be a weekend warrior without them. when i was your age i had a gym membership but i would go 2X per week .. MAYBE 3X. i owned my own house, I had a business going.. those were my priorities, NOT lifting. once i got older and had the time and money is when i decided to open the can of worms.. been absolutely addicted since... i workout EVERYDAY. yes EVERYDAY.. if its not the gym it will be like what i did this weekend .. i hiked 3X about 15 miles total
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly
absolutely. but you have to run most injectable oils that long or more or you won't get peak levels in the blood.
this is why i think if you are 21-25 its a good idea to run short oral cycles.. some dbol, some epi, etc. you can literally run 4 weeks on, 4 weeks pct. and be good to go with limited damage. no need to mess with EQ, deca, or any long esters yet. yeah i know test prop is a short ester blah blah blah, but its also extremely suppressive, i would steer clear for now
guys have to realize these are powerful hormones, but they aren't magic pills. the risks can outweigh the benefits if not used smartly.. just google all the problems young guys have from gyno, to losing libido.. i mean isn't it a shame when a 21 year old can't get it up and has to use viagra? viagra was made for old geezers but now you have 21 year olds using them.. doesn't make much sense to me.
^^^ run them 4 weeks only.
and yes running a 4 week cycle where the esters are in and out in under 5 weeks total is way way way way less suppressive than running an injectable at 12 or 14 weeks (which is really 17 weeks where they are in your body)
i would run some hcgenerate with them as well.. 2 caps 2X per day is enough
and yes running a 4 week cycle where the esters are in and out in under 5 weeks total is way way way way less suppressive than running an injectable at 12 or 14 weeks (which is really 17 weeks where they are in your body)
i would run some hcgenerate with them as well.. 2 caps 2X per day is enough
i haven't run a test base with a cycle in about 2 years.
click my profile and see what i look like and tell me you need test as a base.
if you don't gain on a 4 week run of legit oral AAS, then your diet and training are atrocious.
testostonere suppresses you harder when used, thats a fact. also test also aromatizes.. another fact.
Spot on right there.
Everyone and every situation is different, but there are many things to consider that most don't think about before starting down this road of cycling.
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Hey Steve , I made a thread about this about a year ago, and people kept saying ' if your going to suppress your body, u might aswell just do it properly and run test'. Which I think is very niave, and I agree with u 100% on this that when you are a delicate age, its best not to risk it. BEING SHUT DONW IS LOT DIFFERENT FROM BEING SUPPRESSED. What would u recommend as a good oral only cycle. Im thinking tbol??
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^^^ well there is a dude right now who has his bloods posted and he is halfway through a test cycle and his LH is at 0. so show those people his bloods and maybe they will get a clue.
as for your quesition.. a simple 4 week dbol 25mg a day.. or a 4 week beastdrol cycle is great. epistane is selling on NTBM, you can run 30mg of that a day and get some good results. and its legal
as for your quesition.. a simple 4 week dbol 25mg a day.. or a 4 week beastdrol cycle is great. epistane is selling on NTBM, you can run 30mg of that a day and get some good results. and its legal
Ok I'm sick of doing research on pct maybe you can help me Steve. Everyone on this site is dead set on unleashed and post cycle. And everyone here hates nolvadex. Why is it this is the only place that has this mindset? All other forums put nolva up there with clomid. I've ran nolva over clomid before because of permenant vision problems long term and overall less sides with nolva. Just want to know what I should run with a 3/4 week oral cycle.
Sorry you're sick of doing research. All of the information you are looking for has been posted within the past 2 days...not hard to find.
In my opinion you still need a SERM. People on here support using natural supplements alongside a serm, like clomid. There are people that use natural supplements only but I am not one of them for a variety of reasons (won't get into it now).
Nolvadex isn't effective at raising test, lh, FSH and it is extremely toxic. I haven't seen any studies showing permanent vision problems after 4 weeks of clomid at 25mg-50mg.
You should get minimal sides from clomid at 25mg/day, which is a fine dose for an oral only cycle. Run that with DAA and forma stanzol and you should have no problem recovering. You could include HCGenerate throughout the cycle to minimize shutdown.
This isn't the only place that thinks clomid is far superior to nolvadex. I know of a few respectable forums that generally share that same opinion.
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