2 years after improper cycle..Low T. Help?

[parker2112]

Hello, I am 23 years old, I have done 2 cycles in my life. the first was very minor. just one bottle of sust over a span of 10 weeks. I was probably 18 at the time. After the cycle I had a very short pct, maybe a week of nolva at the most I cant remember. This did not cause any issues as far as hair loss/ loss of libido in the months that followed. My problems came from the next cycle and what would be the last. This time I wanted to do a larger dose so I did 2 bottles of sust.250 over the span of 10 weeks. I was promised I would have a proper PCT lined up for me, long story short it was not. I was unaware it could be gotten anywhere else, since I felt fine through the first month post cycle I felt like I would be ok. Then problems started, I broke out on shoulders and back worse than ever, significant hairloss and worst of all low libido. I did not get a blood test until 2 years later. (Unaware of where my levels were in the first year) so I do not know how much if any has come back. All I have is the total level, it is 550. Doctor called and left voicmail with this number. I have already been to an endo and he would do nothing for me due to the number being within "normal" I have never had it tested before so I do not know where I ususaly stand. I do however remember how I used to feel. I had a pretty high libido and felt pretty good. I will not get into how I feel now. I will just say I live with GAD and OCD this has made my symptoms much worse, I would give anything just to feel like a normal guy again. My question is this. Will/Can levels return to normal naturaly? I can wait, even if it takes a few more years .. or am I doomed for life? Would doing a pct now help? Ive read a little about trying to "restart" with nolva or what have you. I would love to hear some (hopefuly) positive personal experiences with this. I just dont want to think that this will be the rest of my life, low libido, no motivation. I have learned my lesson and just want something to hope for you know. thank you in advance. I appologize for any grammatical errors.

 

[stevesmi]

a couple things. 550 total test is not low at all. that is a solid number and you should be greatful its that high since you juiced way too young.

second your low libido is not gonna be cured by using test anyway. libido issues are caused by many different things. you admit you already have some mental issues going on, there is a link there. I would learn to live a more balanced and stressfree life. stay away from all drugs, yes even prescription... stay away from alcohol.. eat more nourishing food.. exercise. get good sleep.. and learn to be successful in life ... the more you stress out over it the worse it will get.

I am a walking example of this. I used to be worse than you my friend.. stressed out, i was on a bunch of prescription drugs, let my health go to shit.. my libido was crap.. that didn't last long, one day I decided I had enough and threw everything away in my pantry and decided to change back to the way I was before. and I've done nothing but obsess over health since then, and today I have a higher libido than I've ever had.

 

[training700]

Agreed 550 is not low at all. Can try a something like unleashed if wanted. With that number and how long has been don't think it is directly related to your cycles other than mentally and other things going on

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[JaimzTF]

I feel you bro. Hopefully you knew at the time that the BEST case scenario would be that you would fully recover to previous levels. I haven't had blood work, but I feel you man. Not only is it like tasting blood bein on, but knowing after you've been off for a while, that you ain't the man you used to be to put it bluntly. You CAN try, and I'm sure you will be recommended hcg.. and there's always the claimed effects of tribulus and chrysin witch most if not all have disregarded. And, DHEA is a legal prohormone, but I've heard it actually may hurt more than help. I hope you get what you need man, some HCG might just do the trick for u.

 

[Faststangxxx]

Try HCGenerate, five caps a day, three morning and two afternoon...

 

[parker2112]

thankyou for your replies, Lets say my natural levels are in he 700s or so, do you think the human body will slowly correct, given that im still young? maybe over the next year or so as i grow. Oh and any advice on the nolva restart? kinda like a late pct, i really feel i have nothing to loose. I am not sure i could get ahold of that hcg stuff. I know some of you said the number is not that bad but i just dont feel like life is worth living if you cant feel like a man.. its a terrible feeling seeing beutiful woman walk by and feeling nothing inside. or seeing those average testosterone studies in men of various ages, a few saying that 550 is the average level for a man in his late 40s and 50s... im 23... i feel like i ruined my life.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ re-read my post. you are buying into the bullshit that high T levels will give high libido. google how many guys run test and still have shitty libido or it even goes down. I know its not the answer you want to hear, but its the truth.. until you get your mental situation fixed, expect to continue having libido problems.. I don't care if your test is 3000 or its 100..

 

[buddhabuilder]

I'm a mental health clinician with some experience working with individuals with depression/anxiety, and what you are saying, and the way your saying it sounds familiar. You didn't ruin your life and all is not lost. stevesmi hit it on the head in his first post. Life is "from this moment on". I definitely get alot out of my life channeling the energies I used to use to beat myself up and obsess about my F'ed up life, and using them to tweak my diet and design challenging work out routines. It's a journey, not a destination, but I am able to maintain a feeling that I have a fighting chance now. Hard training and a good diet will increase your test naturally, and there are some great supps you may want to try once you max out your natural potential. And when your feeling fit and looking buff I predict that your libido will rise to the occasion. It also wouldn't hurt to speak to someone to work through some stuff. I have, and it helped. (pm me if your in SoCal and I can point you toward someone). And, as my EF name here may suggest, I find alot of strength in a deep philosophical understanding of life and a strong spiritual practice. Your just a kid, you can definitely move your life in the direction you want it to go.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ nolva is just gonna kill his libido more and make the guy more mental .. the last thing he needs is to cripple his estrogen right now. JMHO

 

[rustilldown]

why don't you run a full HCG run with some nolva/clo that should help you get a boost

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/HCG.html

It's almost as if you are a computer
Generated account sent from the 80s to give the Most awful outdated advice here on this board. This reason alone keeps me from even visiting your site.. JmHO

To the Original Poster, I used to be like you and like Steve said, and 4 years ago I made a life long change that had me refocus my goals from heading down a nasty spiral of a path , to focusing more in health, getting in shape and living a Funner life not worrying about every little detail. the more you focus on "not being able to perform, have libido, the worse I will get" take a step back, and start from here on out with a positive look to the future.. Eat
Clean lift and rest and have a little fun. A few good supps are MACA powder, ginseng and anything to stimulate blood flow, but it's 95% mental trust me. Not sure if you have a girl or not, but if not, maybe focus on becoming comfortable with just one person, and once the comfort
Level is there you may have less trouble and more libido .


Ride it like you stole it!!

 

[RickRock13]

a couple things. 550 total test is not low at all. that is a solid number and you should be greatful its that high since you juiced way too young.

second your low libido is not gonna be cured by using test anyway. libido issues are caused by many different things. you admit you already have some mental issues going on, there is a link there. I would learn to live a more balanced and stressfree life. stay away from all drugs, yes even prescription... stay away from alcohol.. eat more nourishing food.. exercise. get good sleep.. and learn to be successful in life ... the more you stress out over it the worse it will get.

I am a walking example of this. I used to be worse than you my friend.. stressed out, i was on a bunch of prescription drugs, let my health go to shit.. my libido was crap.. that didn't last long, one day I decided I had enough and threw everything away in my pantry and decided to change back to the way I was before. and I've done nothing but obsess over health since then, and today I have a higher libido than I've ever had.

^That right there is some great advice bro. Steve has some great recommendations for you, and you should follow that to a T.

 

[stevesmi]

seems to be too many people who instead of fixing the root cause of a problem, choose to further complicate things further.. this is why there is such a high number of people in this country who are on some type of drug when it isn't even necessary

a pill for every ill. at this rate in another 50 years every single American will be on multiple pills from childhood till they die.

I also fear for the mental aspect of things. seems like everyone has some kind of imbalance mentally.. has to do with the food and drinks we are putting in our bodies and also a stressful life. learn to eat healthy and learn to do some kind of yoga, meditation or prayer on a daily basis to put your mind at ease. many people are figuring this out, how else do you explain the boom in supermarkets like Whole Foods and Fresh Market. and if you ever visit those places you will notice most everyone looks happy and very fit. you would have to be naive to think that is just a coincidence

 

[parker2112]

thanks guys i really did not anticipate this many responses, maybe one or 2, pretty good site here. Anyhow I do live as healhy as i can, in fact this aspect of my life is made worse by my ocd, i ONLY eat natural foods. rarely go out to eat because i feel I dont know what they are using in these foods. I get all the essential oils, 3,6,9. eat healthy fats like almond butter, lean protein.. and on and on. When i get down about something feeling like im doomed, information always seems to help me, thats why the main question i was seeking was weather or not if my level used o be higher, will it return someday and how likely is that to happen?

 

[buddhabuilder]

It will return and go even higher if you follow the recommendations you have gotten here. Print out these pages and put them at the beginning of your new work out journal. Now, as I said, from this moment on. Write out your current work out routine and post it under the work out/diet heading on this forum. We will work with you to tweak this to the best it can be. Then do the same for your diet. No need to include the organic, all natural labels, although eating like this can only help. Let's get moving forward and having some fun!

 

[stevesmi]

thanks guys i really did not anticipate this many responses, maybe one or 2, pretty good site here. Anyhow I do live as healhy as i can, in fact this aspect of my life is made worse by my ocd, i ONLY eat natural foods. rarely go out to eat because i feel I dont know what they are using in these foods. I get all the essential oils, 3,6,9. eat healthy fats like almond butter, lean protein.. and on and on. When i get down about something feeling like im doomed, information always seems to help me, thats why the main question i was seeking was weather or not if my level used o be higher, will it return someday and how likely is that to happen?

you physically are in great shape bro. however mentally your OCD shows you have something going on in your head. until you get that fixed your libido will struggle.

and again, your test levels are NORMAL. the more you obsess that it isn't the more problems you will have.

libido is all about whats in your HEAD. look at ron jeremy, he looks like shit yet his libido is so good that he fucks ugly and fat chicks for a living. so you can physically look great, but mentally be fucked up.

really it helps to be both but when it comes to libido its all about being confident and successful.