2 cycles... help me decide which to go with

[Vascular Freak]

I have two cycles planned, I will be running one of these. My goal is to add as much free mass as possible. Please help me decide which to run and give you opinion on strength, muscle hardness, ability to stay lean (diet and cardio in check OBviously). Thanks Bro's

Cycle 1

wk 1-12 test cyp 500 mg
wk 1-12 eq 600mg
wk 1-7 var 60mg ed
wk 11-14 test prop 100mg eod
wk 1-8 t3 ramped up to 50mcg and down

50mg proviron with aifm throughout

OR

Cycle 2

wk 1-12 test cyp 500mg
wk 1-12 primo 600mg
wk 1-7 dbol 40mg ed
wk 11-14 test prop 100mg eod
wk 1-8 t3 ramped to 50mcg and down

50mg proviron with aifm throughout

 

[cboogsrun]

# 2 has a better oral for mass, so I'd go with it.

 

[Bozwell]

no2 for me

 

[nydj66]

I'd say #2. Both EQ and var are class 1 steroids so they will compete for binding at the AR receptor.

On the other hand, primo is a great class 1 steroid and d-bol is class 2 so they will work synergistically. Should get great gains.

Besides, EQ gives me painful pumps and minimal gains.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Which is better for strength and lean gains? Some say that var at 60-80mg gives strength gains like d bol plus you don't need the high dose of AI to ward of estro sides?

I was thinking of #2 myself, but this is a first for me with dbol and I am very gyno sensitive.

 

[Vascular Freak]

I'd say #2. Both EQ and var are class 1 steroids so they will compete for binding at the AR receptor.

On the other hand, primo is a great class 1 steroid and d-bol is class 2 so they will work synergistically. Should get great gains.

Besides, EQ gives me painful pumps and minimal gains.

Var and eq aren't good to run together?

 

[CO B-man]

why the T3? Are you wanting to cut or bulk? I dont recomend both at the same time but I also do not propose getting fat when you bulk either.

Also second cycle has primo which no doubt is great but how often do you plan on injecting the primo? at least eod I hope. I suggest the following as my ultimate cycle without knowing anything about you for me I would like to run this some day.


Cycle 1

wk 1-16 test cyp 500 mg
wk 1-16 eq 500mg
wk 1-16 Primo 150mg eod about 525 ew
wk 1-6 var 60mg ed

then PCT! How awesome would that cycle be?

 

[Ulter]

Do number one. Primo is for women.

 

[gautho]

Cycle 1, but why T3. Are you competing? If not, save your thyroid sensitivity for when you do compete. If you start to stimulate it now just for fatloss and to look leaner, it will respond much less for you down the road if you decide to compete. Its one of those things you don't want to wear out, truly save it for when you really need it.

 

[nydj66]

Var and eq aren't good to run together?

There's nothing wrong with running them together but you won't get the synergy like you would when you stack a class 2 with a class 1.

The class 2 AAS (d-bol and anadrol) cause hypertrophy through non AR mediated mechanisms so when you stack with a class 1 you get both mechanisms working for you at the same time.

By the way, according to Macro, AIFM is the AI of choice when running d-bol so that should keep you covered on the gyno front.

 

[CO B-man]

Do number one. Primo is for women.

Primo = the shit!