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gobears

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I am 26 5' 11' 173 11% BF been lifting 6years but 3 consistantly.. I went from 145 3 years ago to 178 then I got acl surgery on my leg in march and went down to 165 now at 173...

here it is... dbol, test E, deca

dbol 1-5 40 mg per day dbol week 13-15 30mg day tapering off

test E 1-12 500mg per wk maybe up the dose a bit 6 700 mg in the mid wk's cause I may have a bit extra test

deca 1-10 200mg per week

nolva on hand in case any signs

nolva week 15-19 n o explode and cee supps to help keep gains..wk 15-23

I just wanted the deca to help with minor shoulder and elbow joint issues

look good? I would like to put on and keep 15 lbs, think I can do it?
should I mix the test with the deca n shoot 100mg deca n 250 test 2 times per week? what size pins? I hate needles but say f it ne way.. I plan to shoot shoulders n legs... any other advice or should I take anything for BP or anything else?
 
I agree with Ghost here.

Why not stick to just the Test E for this first time around. At most add in the Dbol to kickstart but other than that this would be a good first cycle. There will be time after this you can start to experiment and add in other compounds based on your previous experiences.

Throwing too much at your body intially and your going to have trouble figuring out what it is works best for you. At your age and with your lifting history 12 weeks of test is going to have the exact effect your looking for anyways. Keep diet in check and train hard and you will grow like a son of a bitch.
 
I hear ya fellas but I heard so much about deca being able to help out the joints and sometimes healing minor joint problems.. you really think adding 200 mg deca would be bad... I could lower the test? dose rest look good?
 
If you can get some HCG I would include that into PCT also but still have to say that stick with the Test only for your first cycle.
 
cool yeah the joints man the joints.. right shoulder n elbow .. but about the injects should I split it up 100 deca n 250 test in 1 shot 2 times a week? what size pins for shoulder injects?
 
23 or 25g for all injections except sensitive areas IE tris IE traps

split all enan esters into a 2x week split to keep blood levels stable.
 
decca and test and dball first cycle huh... enjoy trying to find which compound it is causing you side effects which your sure to get.. esp if going to run decca with nolva.. keep your first cycle simple, test only 250-400mg max a week for 10 weeks, if you cant grow of that you your diet is shit plain and simple. hows your diet look anyway? joint issues try a glucosamine/chondroiton/msn max strength stack or have them looked at by a doc to determine what the actual problem is.
 
xrsist said:
decca and test and dball first cycle huh... enjoy trying to find which compound it is causing you side effects which your sure to get.. esp if going to run decca with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .. keep your first cycle simple, test only 250-400mg max a week for 10 weeks, if you cant grow of that you your diet is shit plain and simple. hows your diet look anyway? joint issues try a glucosamine/chondroiton/msn max strength stack or have them looked at by a doc to determine what the actual problem is.
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+2.great post bro,I agree entirely.

keep your first cycle to one compound only,if you're having joint issues go get the shit checked out by a medical professional instead of trying to self medicate with gear.

best of luck to you:)
 
I went to the chiro for my shoulder and he said it wasn't my rotaor cuff or anything. I had it worked on for like 3 weeks then it has been pretty good.. I only get a little disscomfort after flat bench.. my elbow bothers me when I do skull crushers or overhead tris w dumbell.. So I thought that the deca would help..

I think I'll just do the test N dbol then, caust this seems to be the consensus. I'll prob end up doing like a taper so that I can run 12 weeks.. I'll only get like 20ml of test e. n keep nolva on hand.

I appriciate the oppinions for sure!!! Hey if I am pinning shoulders, should I work my shoulders that same day to cut out some of the pain?

my diet was a lot better, and I am getting it back in check now...

1 some go lean cereal, 2 eggs, protien shake
2 2 egg sanwiches w wheat bread n a protien shake
3 2 unbreaded fish filets, brn rice, fruit cocktail, shake
4 some kind of chicken, vegie, rice, fruit, shake
5 same as 4 usually
6 pbNj or tuna w a shake

I will be throwing in a weight gainer like cytogainer or something..
 
You dont need all that shit for 1st cycle bro ,I did a 12 week cycle of sust only at 500 mg ew (1st cycle by the way) and gained 28lbs in that time ,Ive been off now for around 3 months and only dropped about 4 lbs ,ready for my second soon.

Stick with test only at 500mg ew ,a good diet and regular hard workouts will give you super results ,trust me.
gobears said:
I am 26 5' 11' 173 11% BF been lifting 6years but 3 consistantly.. I went from 145 3 years ago to 178 then I got acl surgery on my leg in march and went down to 165 now at 173...

here it is... Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , testosterone enanthate, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -

Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 1-5 40 mg per day Dianabol - methandrostenolone - week 13-15 30mg day tapering off

test E 1-12 500mg per wk maybe up the dose a bit 6 700 mg in the mid wk's cause I may have a bit extra test

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 1-10 200mg per week

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - on hand in case any signs

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - week 15-19 n o explode and cee supps to help keep gains..wk 15-23

I just wanted the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - to help with minor shoulder and elbow joint issues

look good? I would like to put on and keep 15 lbs, think I can do it?
should I mix the test with the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - n shoot 100mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - n 250 test 2 times per week? what size pins? I hate needles but say f it ne way.. I plan to shoot shoulders n legs... any other advice or should I take anything for BP or anything else?
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what length pins for shoulder injects? should I shoot 2 times a week or just one since its enethate?

Thanks for the advice too!
 
gobears said:
what length pins for shoulder injects? should I shoot 2 times a week or just one since its enethate?

Thanks for the advice too!
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1" 25g is fine for delts. You can shoot once a week with Test E.
 
Will doing a test only cycle affect my Blood Pressure "increase it" ? The last time I had it checked it was a little high, I just want to be on the safe side.
 
If I see it jump up at all is there anything I can do other that just stopping the cycle? My pops n grandpops take bp meds to keep it low, so I think its in the fam.
 
man who's tso to say anything like that. I came to ask here to ask some good questions not to get bashed. I am a hard gainer and the weight I have put on has been tough. I train right and eat as good as I can. I just wanted to do A test cycle to see where it can take me. I am only planning on doing a single cycle. I don't want to get huge I just want to gain like 15 lbs.


Anyone got any info on the BP question?
 
Dude, un wad the panties. Nobody is "bashing" you. 99% of the time, "hardgainer" means, you aren't doing one of the basics correctly. You aren't eating, lifting or resting enough. You say you eat as good "as you can". That is not a good sign, when you are on cycle, you had better eat better than "as you can" otherwise you will be wasting your time, money and your first time receptors.

Start eating 4000 cals (clean cals) every day for a month while maintaining strong work at the gym, and see if you grow. I'd be willing to place money on this to say that you would stop being a "hard gainer" while following that.
 
I hear you man was just getting a bit defensive but it's all cool opinions are opinions and that is why I am here to get em.

Just out of curiosity.. my bud has some test prop... would that be bad to do for a first cycle? How many days a week do you really have to shoot it? I was thinking of getting it cause he has it on hand and it is a good deal. what do you think?
 
gobears said:
man who's tso to say anything like that. I came to ask here to ask some good questions not to get bashed. I am a hard gainer and the weight I have put on has been tough. I train right and eat as good as I can. I just wanted to do A test cycle to see where it can take me. I am only planning on doing a single cycle. I don't want to get huge I just want to gain like 15 lbs.


Anyone got any info on the BP question?
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research hawthorne berry. i haven't personally supplemented with it for BP but i am going to next cycle
 
Question.. I may only get 2 10ml bottles of test E then.. would it be more beneficial (better gains overall at end) to take 500 ew for 10 weeks OR 340 ew for 14 weeks?

Also my bud has a bottle of AIFM he dosn't need.. Could that be of use to me durring cycle or what could I use it for.. I know it is an AI.. but never really heard of it.. plus I already have my nolva on hand..
thanks
 
hahaha yeah man I hear ya.. just want to get good gains cause I may only do one cycle.. :) save the AIFM? but I have nolva.. Should I use both? I thought nolva would be just fine?
 
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