dbol gains?
although dbol isn't a great binder to the receptors, you will see muscle growth from it. The problem is that there is also a lot of water retention. So, when you stop the cycle, the water goes away and people think that ALL of their gains went away too. Dbol alone isn't an ideal cycle, but will yeild ok gains.
winstrol?
I wouldn't recommend using wintrol by itself as it tends to dry out your joints to the point of almost not being able to lift. If your in too much pain to lift, then how are you gonna get bigger.
1st cycle?
Stick with test and test alone!! 250mg -500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks followed by proper pct (check out pct forum)
You DO NOT need to add anything else for your first cycle. Many will say to throw in an oral kick start, but it's not needed as you WILL grow like crazy from just the test.
The key to AAS is to learn how you respond to each compound before combining them. If u add two new things at once, you won't know where the gains/sides come from.