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samuel1975

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10 week cycle
Test. Enath. 500mg/wk - Weeks 1-10
HCG 250IU every 4th day - Weeks 2-12
Arimidex .25mg - .5mg/day Weeks 1-11
Saw Palmetto 200mg/day Weeks 1-17
Finasteride 1mg/day Weeks 1-17

PCT
Nolva - 20mg/day Weeks 13-17
 
samuel1975 said:
10 week cycle
Test. Enath. 500mg/wk - Weeks 1-10
HCG 250IU every 4th day - Weeks 2-12
Arimidex .25mg - .5mg/day Weeks 1-11
Saw Palmetto 200mg/day Weeks 1-17
Finasteride 1mg/day Weeks 1-17

PCT
Nolva - 20mg/day Weeks 13-17
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Don't think you need to use the hcg on this one. Save it for a longer or higher dosed cycle later on. Mixed with the a-dex its kinda overkill. Also if you use hcg it should be run with nolva not a-dex.
Add some clomid in the PCT.
 
10 weeks of test for a first cycle will shut you down. I got shut down at half that dose my first cycle. If you have the HCG, I'd use it.
 
krishna said:
10 weeks of test for a first cycle will shut you down. I got shut down at half that dose my first cycle. If you have the HCG, I'd use it.
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It won't shut most people down that hard. There is nothing wrong with using the hcg, just we don't know if it's necessary. If you use it, run it at 1000mgs weeks 6 - 8
 
for a first cycle I would just run test for 10 weeks at 250mgs. Doesn't sound like much but I went from 200 to 220 and I wasn't bulking. I stayed at 6%.
*The only problem I had was I didn't know about pct. So I eventually dropped down to 206. If I knew about HCG and clomid it would have made a huge difference. How huge? I only lost 4lbs after my last cycle. I consistantly out gain guys at my gym by using two ten week cycles a year with hcg/clomid. That includes guys that are on year round and guys that use over a gram of test. I don't go over 500mgs of test at 238.
I would keep the finasteride and arimidex on hand in case you need it. You most likely will not need it on this one!
 
got muscle said:
Don't think you need to use the hcg on this one. Save it for a longer or higher dosed cycle later on. Mixed with the a-dex its kinda overkill. Also if you use hcg it should be run with nolva not a-dex.
Add some clomid in the PCT.
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Just curious, why use Nolva instead of adex with HCG? I chose adex to descrease estrogen levels rather than just block receptors.
 
I would use HCG post cycle if I were you. Why the hell wouldn't he use it? It doesn't make any sense. Why make recovery harder? Stay basic and use an efficient PCT.
 
silverbackn said:
I would use HCG post cycle if I were you. Why the hell wouldn't he use it? It doesn't make any sense. Why make recovery harder? Stay basic and use an efficient PCT.
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exactly! no need to use it throughout, just at the end, last 10 days, EOD at 100IU followed by nolva or clomid
 
I dont know why u wouldnt use it at a small dose throughout why ever be shut down? I will never again do a cycle without running it completly through. In my opinion at least.
 
samuel1975 said:
Lot's of good info. taken in here, thank you all for sharing your knowledge.
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If you haven't noticed yet, you will get different advice on how to run hcg. IE: During cycle or post cycle, take every fourth day at larger dose or every day at small dose, don't take till abut four weeks out, etc...
 
hcg is necessary i am sorry, i used to doubt it, then the depression set in after my cycle and it boosted my test levels back to normal with two 500iu injects.
 
krishna said:
10 weeks of test for a first cycle will shut you down. I got shut down at half that dose my first cycle. If you have the HCG, I'd use it.
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Dp you think it would be better to do a larger dose for less time for a 1st cycle, like 300mg x 8wks?
 
mish12345 said:
hi im 18 and am starting my 1st course of dbol very soon. i have 8weeks supply but do you think this is too long? should i keep below 20mg/day throughout the whole course? i have also been told to take clomid twice a week during my cycle. are the chances of acne lower seeing as my dosages wont be too high?
thanks, JAMES UK
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IF you are only 18 your going to get hammerd for taking steriods at that age
If I were you Id stop of it till at least another 2 years. Im 23 and I did my first cycle last year after a LOT of research ,steriods are not to be taken lightly they can cause mega damage if you abuse them, at 18 you still growing and producing huge amounts of test natuarly.My advice is spend the next 2 years eating like a pig and training like fuck and do as much research as possable
if you are hell bent on taking the dbol (i have freinds like this)I kept 12lbs and most of my streanth of doing this, 100dbol tabs(5mg) 4ed for 5weeks nolva on the night of the last dbol tab@40mg and then 20mg ed for 3 weeks after with 500mg of milk thisle ed till the end of the cycle
but at 18 this could do more harm than good
peace ;)
 
hi im 18 and am starting my 1st course of dbol very soon. i have 8weeks supply but do you think this is too long? should i keep below 20mg/day throughout the whole course? i have also been told to take clomid twice a week during my cycle. are the chances of acne lower seeing as my dosages wont be too high?
thanks, JAMES UK
 
e gads mate... at your age you are on "natural" steroids, I would use this time to your benefit man, train hard and eat harder, it's what I am doing. I am coming up on my 20th in a bit here and I read over these boards and I see the gains that gear is giving people, but in reality for me, it is damn near close to the gains I am making without gear. Granted this is because I have a long way to go before I reach my true natural maximum as I have only been in the gym for a year whilst most of these guys have been doing it for much longer, but at 18 it would be hard to have reached your natural potential as well.

It is easy for you to believe that gear will give you massive gains quickly, but proper dieting and training at your age will do the same. If you think you eat hard, eat harder and if you think you train hard, go fucking nuts in the gym. Aside from that, Steroids WILL stunt your growth, simple fact and unless you truly believe your done growing I wouldn't risk it man.

If you have a hard time eating, throw in some cardio in the morning and throw down a couple BCAA's... guarantee you'll be starving for the rest of the day.

Last year around June I was about 5'9" 138 lbs 14% bodyfat, a small computer geek... Right now I am 5'9" 175 lbs 14 % bodyfat... I am huge compared to how I was before and I honestly believe that I picked the perfect time to get myself into the gym, when in your late teen years, your natural test levels are already off the charts, good stuff and it's free! I would do a lot more research before considering the dbol bro, just my .02 tho
 
biggumz said:
e gads mate... at your age you are on "natural" steroids, I would use this time to your benefit man, train hard and eat harder, it's what I am doing. I am coming up on my 20th in a bit here and I read over these boards and I see the gains that gear is giving people, but in reality for me, it is damn near close to the gains I am making without gear. Granted this is because I have a long way to go before I reach my true natural maximum as I have only been in the gym for a year whilst most of these guys have been doing it for much longer, but at 18 it would be hard to have reached your natural potential as well.

It is easy for you to believe that gear will give you massive gains quickly, but proper dieting and training at your age will do the same. If you think you eat hard, eat harder and if you think you train hard, go fucking nuts in the gym. Aside from that, Steroids WILL stunt your growth, simple fact and unless you truly believe your done growing I wouldn't risk it man.

If you have a hard time eating, throw in some cardio in the morning and throw down a couple BCAA's... guarantee you'll be starving for the rest of the day.

Last year around June I was about 5'9" 138 lbs 14% bodyfat, a small computer geek... Right now I am 5'9" 175 lbs 14 % bodyfat... I am huge compared to how I was before and I honestly believe that I picked the perfect time to get myself into the gym, when in your late teen years, your natural test levels are already off the charts, good stuff and it's free! I would do a lot more research before considering the dbol bro, just my .02 tho
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thanks for the tips man - but what are BCAA's? what sort of stuff are you eating? all im ever on is chicken breast and tuna really, think i need some more variety.
 
mish12345 said:
thanks for the tips man - but what are BCAA's? what sort of stuff are you eating? all im ever on is chicken breast and tuna really, think i need some more variety.
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If you don't know what BCAA's are you have absolutely zero business here.
 
mish12345 said:
well fukin tell me what they are then big guy
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hey asshole, you thread jacked other posts like 5or 6 times yesterday, i personally responded and told you how to start your own thread, now today you jump in another thread with same ques, someone tries to help you and gives his advice, and you get all pissy, listen you dont want to hear opinions, dont ask questions............... now dont make me bend you over my knee in front of all the bros........ :redhot:
 
littleb said:
hey asshole, you thread jacked other posts like 5or 6 times yesterday, i personally responded and told you how to start your own thread, now today you jump in another thread with same ques, someone tries to help you and gives his advice, and you get all pissy, listen you dont want to hear opinions, dont ask questions............... now dont make me bend you over my knee in front of all the bros........ :redhot:
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Good post! Besides Silverbackn was just telling it like it is. It made me laugh because I saw the same thing with this guy's posts yesterday too. Then he gets mad at Silver for flaming him even though it was well deserved.
 
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