1st cycle options/consideration......would like your opinion please!

[wordomr]

Noobie here: I have been thinking about doing a cycle for a long time, but only seriously considering it recently. I have been doing a hell of a lot of research (reading boards / steroid profiles ect.) as I am trying to make an informed descision. Here are my stats:

Age: 26
Height: 6'3"
Wt: 230
Bodyfat %: not known exactly, am waiting for official measurement when I can get seen by trainer, i would estimate it to be 17-19% range.
Lifting history: Off and on for 4-5 years (during college, just depended on classes and schedule) btu now on a consistant schedule
Goal: Gain lean muscle while trying to bring down bodyfat %, and as far as cycle goes something that will work but also will be a good simple 1 cycle
Diet: Typical diet - eat smaller more frequent meals, lots of protein, low carbs, ect.

Whats your thoughts on these?
I've seen alot of 1st cycle opinions (opinions are like assholes everyone has them) vary alot, but have seen alot of recommendation for just running a test-e with pct by itself for a 1st time cycle. What do you think of this one, considering my goals? should anything else be added?

Also

I received a recommendation for a Anadrol TC, Primbolan, Nolva cycle, stating this cycle will add alot of lean muscle while reducing bodyfat to get the lean look. Here is what i was told:
Anadrol TC : 40 mg for beginning 30 days
Primbolan : 1cc 6 weeks
Nolva: pct and possibly during
Like I said this is not my invention but was recommended to me (if you want to say how much this sucks I will relay the message to the origin, but don't call me the stupid one), I just wanted to get your thoughts on the legitity of this one, expecially being used for a 1st cycle.

I would appreciate any and all opinions!

 

[KD1]

Whats the TC stand for?

Need some test in that cycle. 250mg should be good for a first cycle.

 

[kimblesaurus]

Noobie here: I have been thinking about doing a cycle for a long time, but only seriously considering it recently. I have been doing a hell of a lot of research (reading boards / steroid profiles ect.) as I am trying to make an informed descision. Here are my stats:

Age: 26
Height: 6'3"
Wt: 230
Bodyfat %: not known exactly, am waiting for official measurement when I can get seen by trainer, i would estimate it to be 17-19% range.
Lifting history: Off and on for 4-5 years (during college, just depended on classes and schedule) btu now on a consistant schedule
Goal: Gain lean muscle while trying to bring down bodyfat %, and as far as cycle goes something that will work but also will be a good simple 1 cycle
Diet: Typical diet - eat smaller more frequent meals, lots of protein, low carbs, ect.

Whats your thoughts on these?
I've seen alot of 1st cycle opinions (opinions are like assholes everyone has them) vary alot, but have seen alot of recommendation for just running a test-e with pct by itself for a 1st time cycle. What do you think of this one, considering my goals? should anything else be added?

Also

I received a recommendation for a Anadrol TC, Primbolan, Nolva cycle, stating this cycle will add alot of lean muscle while reducing bodyfat to get the lean look. Here is what i was told:
Anadrol TC : 40 mg for beginning 30 days
Primbolan : 1cc 6 weeks
Nolva: pct and possibly during
Like I said this is not my invention but was recommended to me (if you want to say how much this sucks I will relay the message to the origin, but don't call me the stupid one), I just wanted to get your thoughts on the legitity of this one, expecially being used for a 1st cycle.

I would appreciate any and all opinions!

At your size, go with 500mg/wk of Test Enanthate...get your PCT before you start...Do this for minimum 10wks, maximum 15wks....you'll love it.

 

[T-Matt]

Welcome to EF, first off!

I first want to say that it is recommended that you lean out a bit more before you start your first cycle. However, if your heart is set on doing a cycle here are my recommendations..

1) Make sure you have your aromatase inhibitor and your post cycle therapy drugs before you start.

2) Make sure you are mentally ready. Most people THINK they are but once they start they find out they weren't really ready.

3) Research research research.. can't state that enough.. Read up to understand how certain AAS work synergestically with others.. Read up on the side effects.. Most side effects are blown way out of proportion.. Most side effects can be minimized as long as you keep your blood levels as stable as possible..

If I were in your shoes I'd do something like this..

Weeks 1-12
300-400mg Test E/wk
400mg Masteron/wk
50mg proviron/d
2 pumps of AIFM*/day

Weeks 9-12
40-50mg anavar/d

Do some research on these drugs here http://www.isteroids.com/

PM me if you have any questions.

Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do.

T-Matt


*Note* AIFM can be found at https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=152&cartID=fffa74a80968d3fc3fe419cbef8fb3b6 it is a very economical aromatase inhibitor

 

[wordomr]

All the views and only 3 posts? (btw, thanks to those who have already responded). C'mon you all, help a bro out!

 

[Big Wes]

My first cycle was sustanon 250 at only 250mg per week gained 20lbs in 8 weeks. I like sustanon because you do not have to wait three weeks for it to kick in unlike test cyp. or enthanate. which means you can save money. and not need orals to kick start your cycle. Another great steroid is oral turanabol, better than var as far as lean gains.I would take it at 40 mg per day for only six weeks tops. This steroid does not convert to estrogens so your safe as far as gyno. Turanabol is by far my favorite oral steroid.

 

[GetBig10]

go sust...test cpy or test E...one of them...at 250-500mg/weekly...for 10 weeks an youll love the results too much gear for first cycle im guessing always start off easy to see how you react...nolva armidex for pct

 

[jumpshot]

not long enough on the primo for it to do anything, and way too little. anadrol what? no way. all this without test?

honestly bro, get some sustanon, run it for 10-12 weeks at 250 e4 days with aifm, and lift. do pct.

forget about anadrol and primo. I would diet down hard (read the diet/bodybuilding forum here) and do hiit cardio ed for a month or two first. I'm 6'4 230 but sitting around 9-10% myself. you'll enjoy the cycle more if you lean down first.

 

[SwolK]

Test E or C 250-500mg per week for 10 weeks

Use an AI (aifm, Aromasin...)

PCT (clomid, hcg, nolv...)

 

[justinjones1963]

On another note make sure your diet and exercise plan is 100% solid, set and ready. Gear is only a small fraction of the total equation.

Good luck!

 

[SwolK]

On another note make sure your diet and exercise plan is 100% solid, set and ready. Gear is only a small fraction of the total equation.

Good luck!

agreed

 

[starsky668]

well i dont think sus250 kicks in that fast.Im in week 3 and still waiting for it to kick in, like i heard it should, 500 mg/week.

 

[solidspine]

1st cycle,

welcome

Keep it simple.


Primo 400mg per week, I don’t know how many cc’s
Test E or C 400mg per week, I don’t know how many cc’s


Anti E AIFM, Nolvadex, Liquidex.

PCT HCG, AIFM, Nolvadex



Diet, training, all the other good stuff you better know or the gear is a waste of time.


Primo and Test are a great start.



Over

 

[wellbilt]

i would stick with one compound for a first cyckl so you can get an idea how you react and not have to guess whats causing whjat side effect
i would recomend test for a first
test cyp or enan at 500 mg with an ai along with a solid diet and balls out training would be a great first cycle
i ran anavar for my first ,not because i was scared of needle (ok maybe alil)but i like what i read about the compound and chose that to gop with
my first real cycle was i oma every 5 days ,i made very nice solid gains with very minimal if at all any side effects
good luck man

 

[bighippie11]

wouldn't really do aas at 19% bf but thats just me. i also think that you'll enjoy it alot more if you slimmed down first because you'll see your muscles getting big not just your body in general. ++ whoever told you anadrol would give you lean muscle and reduce bf was way off. drol gives you alot of water retention and unless your diet is near perfect you'll probably get a small amount of fat too. also gives you a puffy look while "on" not lean. and you really don't need nolva during cycle, use aifm instead. go with something like this:

test prop 100mg/eod wk 1-12
proviron 50mg/ed
good luck bro.

 

[wordomr]

Ok, so after more reading / research / alot of pm's and other stuff, the overall reccommendation is to do the first cycle with test-e and NOT the 2nd one stated. Now getting down to specifics, I have either seen test-e by itself or with another compound, specifically for the first few weeks to jumpstart the gains and feel.

Any rec's / opinions?

Trying to be specific on exactly what i am looking for goal wise, I want a first cycle that will be safe and not hard on the body, cycle that will not break the bank (poor man's cycle), cycle that will give me lean muscle gains (not something that is going to blow me up like a baloon)

Taking advice from others as well, I am currently trying to lower bf% so I can enjoy gains more when cycle starts, kind of like a mini-reward for myself haha.

Again, thanks for any and all input

 

[SwolK]

Ok, so after more reading / research / alot of pm's and other stuff, the overall reccommendation is to do the first cycle with test-e and NOT the 2nd one stated. Now getting down to specifics, I have either seen test-e by itself or with another compound, specifically for the first few weeks to jumpstart the gains and feel.

Any rec's / opinions?

Trying to be specific on exactly what i am looking for goal wise, I want a first cycle that will be safe and not hard on the body, cycle that will not break the bank (poor man's cycle), cycle that will give me lean muscle gains (not something that is going to blow me up like a baloon)

Taking advice from others as well, I am currently trying to lower bf% so I can enjoy gains more when cycle starts, kind of like a mini-reward for myself haha.

Again, thanks for any and all input

some people use dbol, tbol, var to jumpstart cycle. It is not necessary. especially for a first cycle. They use those fast acting orals because Test E or C takes a few weeks to really kick in.

also, you dont need another injectable for your first cycle.

you want something cheap, easy, with low sides:

Test E or C at 500mg for 10 weeks

AI (for estro sides. use aifm, aromasin)

pct (to get balls started again, Clomid or Nolv and optional HCG)

 

[bighippie11]

i'm feelin this ^. should give good gains