Sorry I couldn't get back to you guys right away. The reason I am scared to go all out is because I have hepatitus and I don't want to aggravate my liver any more than I have to. My health and diet is excellent other than the elevated enzymes and I take good care of them. I am on two different varieties of milk thistle ( extract and capsules ) and I joined a naturopathis health centre that does blood and urine work, ozone and sound therapies, supplement prescribing, etc., and they are working to keep my immune system as strong as is possible so I am doing a very proactive regimen to help my liver. I know what you are going to say - I shouldn't be doing these roids at all considering my liver, but I need a little push right now and I don't know how else to get it. I want to do as much as is possible without putting undue stress on my liver and without having to worry about PCT. If it wasn't for my liver I would go all out right this minute. I appreciate your comments dawgs so if you have any other advice please feel free. If you can suggest a good safe cycle, if there is one for someone with liver disease, I would love to hear from you on it.