1st cycle ever, non-bulking ideas...

[thefreshman]

I'm not planning on doing this till end of summer, cause I'm still trying to work on routine and base development. Anyway, I don't want to put on alot of size, mostly strength. Workout will involve weight lifting and cardio (I race bmx bikes), most training will actually be bike sprints and racing. Weights will be 3 times a week, chest/tri, back/bi/shoulders, legs. Stats: will be 20 at the time, 140 lbs, 4% bf.

I was thinking fina would be effective and cheap, but I heard it should be stacked with winny to block pro-gyno. I don't plan on running much fina since I'm small, so maybe thats not important for me to take the winny. Winny does sound good though. Also EQ seems like it fits my needs, so does Anavar. Or maybe some sus @ 250mg a week for 8 weeks will be just fine, and let the training dictate the type of gains. This will be 1st cycle ever.


Any suggestions, should I go for a 75 mg fina EOD with maybe 50mg winny ED for 5 weeks, and run the EQ 200mg a week weeks 1-8 or something. I'm not sure what would need to be taken post cycle, nolvadex, clomid, arimidex (only with test right?). Maybe I should just go with test and arimidex. I'm not really sure, so many options, and still learning. I mainly wanna gain strength and speed, some clean mass will come with that and thats good. Just keep in mind I'm not trying to bulk for BB. Trying to stay quick, and get quicker.

 

[thefreshman]

After reading the athlete steroid post, anavar seems very good. Whats a good dose for a guy my size, how long? Whats an average price? I still can't contact **, someone told me to go to triedia.com classifieds, but that didn't help. I wanna run var and fina, I think that'll make me happy.

 

[xonic2xonic]

Here is a pretty good beginner stack I suggest for you. You might want to get some other members opinion first.

Week 1:
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50mg - Anadrol
750mg - Sust
100mg - Deca

Week 2:
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50mg - Anadrol
500mg - Sust
100mg - Deca

Week 3:
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50mg - Anadrol
500mg - Sust
300mg - Deca

Week 4:
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50mg - Anadrol
250mg - Sust
400mg - Deca

Week 5:
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50mg - DBOL
50mg - WINNY ED
400mg - Deca

Week 6:
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50mg - DBOL
50mg - WINNY ED
300mg - Deca

Week 7:
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50mg - DBOL
50mg - WINNY ED
200mg - Deca

Week 8:
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50mg - DBOL
50mg - WINNY ED
100mg - Deca

 

[thefreshman]

no way man, not a good cycle for me. I don't think A-bombs are good for a first cycle, and 750mg of sus for a 140lb guy??? I disagree. I'm leaning towards anavar, no/small sides, minimal weight gain, big strength gain. Combine that with eq and fina, then I think that would be nice for me. Shit any one of those alone would be fine.

 

[xonic2xonic]

Yeah that was a joke that cyle.

Anyway, to be honest I think you are way off, Fina for your goals ???

You gave your weight and crazy low BF% but not your height so we can't tell what kind of muscle mass you currently have.

I am no expert but here's my 2cents:

a) Juicing when as you said you don't have a routine or fundamentals down yet, doesn't seem too wise. Assuming that you are using the safest products, the risks you run are injury or just wasting your money by not following through with proper training. Also you can get some mass (only if you eat tonnes and forget that 4% yer at now) and strenght even without much mass.

b) I suggest just doing one of the following in this order of preference: Winny, Anavar, Primo. Anavar is expenisve, primo too many fakes. Winny will be great for you, take glucosomine or whatever else to keep joints lubed. You don't need any stacking for your goals. Take clomid after even though some might not bother.

 

[Audio8]

xonic,
Please don't make up cycles like that for a beginner. I know you were joking, but some people may not realize that.



Anyway, just a few things. What you're inclining to do sounds pretty good. Fina for a first cycle is ify. I think if you know what you're getting into (done your research on fina), then it's ok. For strength, nothing beats fina. EQ is good. Winny is good. Test is great. Here's some options:


Fina-----75mg EOD----weeks 1-6
Winny---50mg ED-----weeks 1-6
clomid---300,100,50---a couple days after last doses.

300,100,50 means; take 300mg on day #1 of clomid therapy, then 100mg ED for the first week. Then 50mg ED for the next 2 weeks of clomid therapy.

another good beginner's cycle for strength and cutting (a tad safer too):

Test (cyp)---400mg-----weeks 1-8
EQ------------400mg-----weeks 1-8
Clomid----300,100,50---weeks 11-13

I say that the 2nd cycle is safer b/c winny has been shown to totally wipe out all HDL cholesterol levels for a period of time that is still in debate. This is obviously not good. And fina has it's obvious sides as well.

oh and by the way, how tall are you? or should i say, how short are you? 140lbs? Sounds like you may need to packed on some meat before you even begin with a cycle. Atleast get your diet and training down to perfection.

 

[RustyTromboneMan]

140 lbs and 4% body fat, why are you cutting
What the hell is there to cut

 

[guards]

140 lbs and 4% body fat, why are you cutting
What the hell is there to cut

Exactly what I was thinking.


Something is not right here.......hhhmmmmmm........I don't think you have been training nearly long enough to be considering gear.

My opinion

 

[CycloneHWT]

he wants a strength/lean mass cycle, not a cut cycle im guessing, he said he races bikes, if he gets too heavy, that wont help him... i think fina/winny would be good for him to gain some lean mass and get stronger and fasterlook at audio8's cycle, thats perfect

Cyclone

 

[xonic2xonic]

I think you guys are fucking ridiculous recommending Fina. It is hard on the system, only competitve bbrs need this stuff for fast gains and precomp hardness. There is no point for this guy. He should just stick with one of the basics already mentioned, that will provide modest, but lasting quality gains, eat properly and train properly. Even with this I worry that he would damage tendons/ligaments/joints with so little lifting expertience.

 

[milkbone]

I think the diet will determine what he gains/doesn't gain regardless of what he takes. He's 140# @ 4% BF so it's not like he's shoveling food down his throat. So why would he gain much weight if he keeps eating like this? Keep the diet low key and I think you'll mostly get strength gain regardless of what you take. Don't oversimplify gaining lean mass ... you have to have a decent diet in place to make this happen.

 

[Audio8]

I think you guys are fucking ridiculous recommending Fina. It is hard on the system, only competitve bbrs need this stuff for fast gains and precomp hardness. There is no point for this guy. He should just stick with one of the basics already mentioned, that will provide modest, but lasting quality gains, eat properly and train properly. Even with this I worry that he would damage tendons/ligaments/joints with so little lifting expertience.

Like I mentioned before, I think fina is fine for a beginner, as long as he has researched it and is aware of all the possible sides (like any other AS of course), and has a decent foundation to work off of. At 140lbs, it doesn't sound like he does. Maybe he's just really fuckn short. I don't know. He hasn't replied to our questions yet.

But anyway, as I stated before, if you're gonna get into AS now and not take our advice to wait, AT THE VERY LEAST, get your diet and training down to perfection. Without those in order, you'll be pissing your money, time, and health away with nothing to show for it. All steroids have sides...fina has a couple more sides than most others, but they are managable. It's not like it's this super-harsh drug that only the pro's should use. If you take the necessary precautions, you will not put your body in greater risk than any other AS would. Goodluck with whatever you decide to do.