1st cycle contemplations

[silverfreak]

Hey guys,

In a couple of months (around the beginning of June), i'm looking at starting my first cycle. I've gotten my diet dialed in pretty good right now, and have been working out with good results. Anyway, i've decided to run a primo cycle (for about 12 weeks) along with some win tabs for the last 6-8. As this is my first cycle, i'm leaning towards a relatively low dose of primo (say 300-400mg per week??) just to see how my body reacts (i'm 6'3 195-200lbs 32 inch waist).

Now, there will also be sus 250 on hand....so i was debating whether or not to stack a small amount of that in there.... From all the reading i've done I'm pretty sure you guys are going to tell me to bump the sus 250 up higher than the primo dose...but I want to hear what you've got to say. I only want a good quality gain....not looking for the smooth look.... There will be Nolvadex on hand for PCT, but from what i can see there won't be too much stress from a primo cycle. Should i just stick with the primo/winny combo only for my first go? Let me know what you all think. Thanks!!

 

[xrsist]

hey bro how long you been training for?

 

[silverfreak]

Well, i was training for a good two or three years straight...but recent changes took me out of the gym for the last handfull of months. So, i'm back on my clean diet and have been workin out for the last couple of months again. My metabolism is back up, and i've managed to seriously tighten up quickly with no muscle loss. My weight has stayed around the 200lb mark, and i'm eating very clean (especially since its BBQ season again!) But I'm going to continue the same regiment until the beginning of june, then kick a light cycle of gear.

 

[blut wump]

Go with test enan at around 500 per week in two shots for around 10 weeks. You don't state what your goals are but you'll not get much of anything from that primo cycle.

Avoid salt, add potassium, drink plenty of water and keep on top of your AI and you can avoid the 'smooth' look. If you're utterly fussy about it then you can add in some proviron.

 

[xrsist]

why have you chosen to run primo as your first cycle?

 

[silverfreak]

Just chose the primo, cause of the mild sides and low/no aromatization....a couple guys i know said that its a pretty good quality gain (over a long cycle) especially when stacked...

 

[UFC22]

Primo and var are great, but usually geared more towards people who want a mild anabolic that is considered "safer" than the rest. Now you can look "lean" on any anabolic pretty much. It is all about diet. You will do well with 250-500mgs of test every week.

 

[silverfreak]

Primo and var are great, but usually geared more towards people who want a mild anabolic that is considered "safer" than the rest.

That's precisely the reason for me.

From what i understand, decent gains can still be obtained over a longer stretch with Primo. Thats why i was also thinking of maybe sprinkling a bit of the sust 250 in there to spice it up a bit.

 

[Mac173]

I think you would be highly dissapointed w/ only 300-400mg of primo.
Definitely throw in 500mg of test.
You'll be alot happier that you did.

 

[silverfreak]

I think you would be highly dissapointed w/ only 300-400mg of primo.
Definitely throw in 500mg of test.
You'll be alot happier that you did.

So, do you think it would be a better idea to scrap the primo and run sus 250 only? Or should I run em both? The winny is a go regardless @ 50mg ED for 6-8 weeks.

 

[xrsist]

250mg to 500mg a week of sustanon for 10 with clomid as pct 2 weeks after last shot. eat everything and train hard. save primo for later on down the track

 

[silverfreak]

250mg to 500mg a week of sustanon for 10 with clomid as pct 2 weeks after last shot. eat everything and train hard. save primo for later on down the track

I appreciate all the input guys. Thanks!

Now, I'm just wondering why you say to save primo for later on? Im more or less interested in the fact that its quite mild on the system....so that's why I was thinking it would be a good choice. Would running say 500mg primo EW with say 250mg sus EW for 10-12 not be a good combo?

 

[xrsist]

i have no experence with primo bro so youl have to ask someone else that but if its your first cycle 250 of sust a week may be enough for you most will say 500 a week but my first was 250 a week i gained 8kgs and kept them all, with only acne on back

 

[xrsist]

you wanna try one substance at a time

 

[xrsist]

you wanna try one substance at a time untill you know what they do to you before you start combos

 

[silverfreak]

Cool thanks a lot Xrsist appreciate your time.

If anyone has any experience/advice for Primo, im all ears.

 

[BigCracker]

Don't worry about straining your system. I know guys that run twice as much gear as your contemplating using year round for 20 yrs straight and they're fine. 500 mgs of enathate a week would be plenty, but personally I think you should train natty another yr or two before you consider using AS. Of course, nobody ever wants to wait until they've plateaued naturally to use AS these days, so I won't bother flaming you for it. 10 years ago I would've called you a retard, but since using AS prematurely seems to be the rage these days, I'll cut you some slack.

 

[silverfreak]

Don't worry about straining your system. I know guys that run twice as much gear as your contemplating using year round for 20 yrs straight and they're fine. 500 mgs of enathate a week would be plenty, but personally I think you should train natty another yr or two before you consider using AS. Of course, nobody ever wants to wait until they've plateaued naturally to use AS these days, so I won't bother flaming you for it. 10 years ago I would've called you a retard, but since using AS prematurely seems to be the rage these days, I'll cut you some slack.

LOL, well thanks for not flaming me Big Cracker...hahaha. I totally understand where you are coming from. I know i could definitely train for a bit longer before giving them a shot....I'm 26 years old, and worked out for 2-3 years straight all natural...just felll of the wagon a few months ago. So, getttin back into shape really isn't too hard for me. Granted, i haven't hit my natural plateau....but I'm just excited to give it a shot this summer. Especially since its my first summer being single in the last 6 years LOL.

 

[Pump2356]

Primo at 300-400 won't have any sides but maybe a few pimples(rare)so it doesn't matter to add it in, its not like deca where if you get gyno you wont know if its test or deca causing problems..Its a very very safe drug that could be run for 16+ weeks with great quality gains and no damage on the body. If you want quality gains and have sustanon . You could just run 250mg of sustanon 250 and 300mg of primo for 12 weeks. Sides would be minimal and great gains
Also, imo you might want to go with human grade schering for primo and hg gear for sustanon 250...

You also might want to stay natural because at 26 I doubt you reached your limit( i doubt most who take steroids have reached their geneic potential). I don't know if you have any quality trainers in your area but if so you might want to try getting one for a few months and see if your muscle mass and strength improve

 

[BigCracker]

LOL, well thanks for not flaming me Big Cracker...hahaha. I totally understand where you are coming from. I know i could definitely train for a bit longer before giving them a shot....I'm 26 years old, and worked out for 2-3 years straight all natural...just felll of the wagon a few months ago. So, getttin back into shape really isn't too hard for me. Granted, i haven't hit my natural plateau....but I'm just excited to give it a shot this summer. Especially since its my first summer being single in the last 6 years LOL.

You're selling yourself short long term bro. You're 26, not 36. Why use AS? You could probably make just as many gains by learning more about training and diet a couple more yrs. Once that's dialed in, that's when you will benefit most from the juice. Plus then when you go off it won't be like letting the air out of a ballon like it will now.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good advice.

Go with test enan at around 500 per week in two shots for around 10 weeks. You don't state what your goals are but you'll not get much of anything from that primo cycle.

Avoid salt, add potassium, drink plenty of water and keep on top of your AI and you can avoid the 'smooth' look. If you're utterly fussy about it then you can add in some proviron.

 

[silverfreak]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I definitely realise that i'm selling myself short here right now....i just wanted to dabble with one cycle to feel mint for a few months this summer.