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How Does 19-NOR rate up against: Epistane- Cynostane- Androstendione- Furazan- ETC......

Overall which is the best for Lean dry Mass Gains,,, with the least sides in ur opinion?

With the "NEW" Malicious Mass and Monstdrol XT - im wondering if i should crack my old bottle of KATANA and Beast OR try out this new line frm RLS Supps................
 
Yea that what I figured,,,,,, stick with Real Gear,, instead experimenting with so called "Pro's" with basement labs. I guess the only thing Designer I'll use is whats on my back,,hehe . thx 4 feedbk
 
19-nor, if you can handle progestins is real nice..
Great lean mass gains and great strength/aggression.. Comparable to phera plex in a sense.

You will want to stock up on those two new steroids, because this is a 3 run product, meaning once it is gone, it is gone!
 
SO WHICH PROHORMONE TO USE??> So here we come to the part where readers ask 'which is the best prohormone to take and when?' It is not possible, nor advisable, to offer specific advice on such a subject. People need to consider their own objectives and risk factors before taking any prohormone. Generally speaking, all we can say is that it is advisable to start with a mild steroid first and keep doses low, typically for 3-4 weeks. For a novice this will still lead to excellent gains. It is critical in our opinion, that an estrogen blocking product should be held ready at the start of a prohormone cycle. Users unworried about estrogen can take it for 3-4 weeks after the end of their cycle. Those concerned about estrogen, should employ it both during and after. In this respect, Havoc and Epistane make good choices as they negate the need for an anti-estrogen during the cycle, due to the fact they are inherently anti-estrogenic. Still, even with them, an estrogen blocker should be applied after all cycles with prohormones.
Dietary and Supplement Advice


Assuming a good clean diet is eaten, normally the only advice we would recommend is to increase protein intake to at least 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for a 200lb individual, 400g of protein a day. Given the fact prohormones are all oral in nature, we recommend increasing water intake also and employing the use of a liver protectant such as silymarin and N-acetyl cysteine, along with fish oil dosed at 6g a day. Those who are particularly anal may want to consider taking their prohormones with grapefruit juice. In theory, this will help increase their gains via inhibition of enzymes that break down drugs leading to enhanced absorption.
Training Advice


Given the fact you are taking a powerful prohormone which will rapidly boost muscle mass, training volume should be increased but we recommend limiting the increase in weights. Instead, after your cycle has concluded, given the catabolic environment present post cycle, it is an excellent time to reduce volume and increase the weight which will help preserve your muscle and strength gains whilst keeping cortisol (a hormone indicated in the breaking down of muscle) levels low. A good rule of thumb is to double your normal training volume on cycle and then reducing it to a half of your normal training volume in the first few weeks post cycle while your body gets back to a homeostatic state (normal hormonal environment). So, if you do 10 sets a session normally, go to 20 on prohormones, and then reduce to 5 until your post cycle estrogen blocker has finished its job.


SOME GOOD INFO IN CASE SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS> THE TRAINING ADVICE IS INTERESTING!!!
 
Good info... never heard of that training post cycle.

19-nors are f***ing wicked. They are up there in terms of mass and strength for sure. I would get Malicious Mass... picking up 1 or 2 bottles next paycheck fa sho
 
Bro you might wanna give that Monsterdrol a run. Gains like SD without the sides? Sounds good to me.

Although I'm one of the lucky ones and really don't get much sides from SD
 
I personally LOVE the 19-Nor. Treats my body so well. Sides with it suck but can be avoided.
 
bren565 said:
be honest... woudl katanadrol 2.0 + epistane compare? ::(
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No, diesel would compare to 19-nor.. Because diesel has a progestin.

Epi/katana would be a dry, rock hard cycle..
 
MM sounds interesting. I ran 19-nor back in the day and it was GREAT. I can't handle deca or tren, but I may try this.
 
GENTLEMEN!

friend tried diesel 3 caps a day LEGIT had so much hair falling out.. he fucking stopped it, WTF!!!!!?

it has ethy meloxy in it? (aka progestin...)

so shouldnt that prevent 'HYPER VIRILIZATION' aka androgenic alopecia... + super hard gains+ dry joints?

someone answer this.. he legit was losing so much he STOPPED. completely... 3 days in bros
 
Dude, with any hormone you take, you run the risk of losing your hair..
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
Dude, with any hormone you take, you run the risk of losing your hair..
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is it that obvious tho... like

if IF I WAS I HAVENT TRIED IT, but if ur prone to hair loss is it THAT IMMEDIATE,

like day 3 bro.. then BOOM hair out like ur gettin it shaved....?????
 
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Guess everybody reacts differently to different things. Maybe a genetic thing contributing as well for the hair loss. "A theory" is that hair loss is influenced by the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a process mediated by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. DHT is then believed to attack hair follicles causing them to degenerate,,,, (BUT IN 3 DAYS seems kinda fast,,,, I know for me last year on the Beast and Katana, 3 days in and my eyes were bloodshot Ferrari Red,,, in both eyes,,, it had to be bloodpressure so I came off and did a proper PCT , it was probably due to my hi bf % and poor cardio. So i'v dropped bf and improved cardio and gonna give it another go,. I've heard that Saw Palmetto may help with hairloss but u may wanna research that more! hope ur friend recovers from the hair loss!
 
alwayzquikwayout said:
Guess everybody reacts differently to different things. Maybe a genetic thing contributing as well for the hair loss. "A theory" is that hair loss is influenced by the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a process mediated by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. DHT is then believed to attack hair follicles causing them to degenerate,,,, (BUT IN 3 DAYS seems kinda fast,,,, I know for me last year on the Beast and Katana, 3 days in and my eyes were bloodshot Ferrari Red,,, in both eyes,,, it had to be bloodpressure so I came off and did a proper PCT , it was probably due to my hi bf % and poor cardio. So i'v dropped bf and improved cardio and gonna give it another go,. I've heard that Saw Palmetto may help with hairloss but u may wanna research that more! hope ur friend recovers from the hair loss!
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yes man

1 saw palmetoo
2 finastride...

however my concern is that diesel is a DHT deriv however has progestin in it... meaning estrogen LIKE... in order to cause some swelling as estrogen is needed for REAL BULKING... but waht confuses me is that it happened to fucking fast dude? 3 days in.... i mean iv never read of that happening he must be HYPER PRONE... iv never seena ny guys have that prob...
 
It doesn't happen that fast. That's an anomaly if I've ever heard of one.

I have MPB in my family and never get this from Epi or anything DHT related when I cycle. I comb my hair like 10x a day on cycle to stimulate hair follicles and keep them healthy. 4x a day off cycle lol
 
chocolatemilk said:
It doesn't happen that fast. That's an anomaly if I've ever heard of one.

I have MPB in my family and never get this from Epi or anything DHT related when I cycle. I comb my hair like 10x a day on cycle to stimulate hair follicles and keep them healthy. 4x a day off cycle lol
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anyways to prevent


nizorol shampoo daily
+ finastride
+ saw palmetto...

to be honest i dont kknow... he must be like.. a huge fukin MPB dude, cuz.. fuck man 3 days in said he was terrified, it was so bad he legit HAD TO STOP

does it come bac if it falls out? any tips or ideas or anecdotal experiences are super welcome
 
Stop recommending finasteride bren if you knew enough about it you wouldn't throw it out so casually. Sh*t if I had to use finasteride to get me through a cycle I would really re-consider cycling. Nizoral and Palmetto will do. It's not even a big deal like you're making it out I have never heard of or seen amongst people I know balding from steroids up until now with you mentioning your friend. Balding and gyno are statistically pretty damn unlikely to happen.
 
lol..
Again, everyone reacts differntly to different hormones placed in said body. There are no rules written in stone with steroids, meaning just because said steroid is not likely to cause hair loss doesnt mean person X wont experience bad hair loss with it..

And 3 days is too fast for major hair loss.. I am skeptical of your friends situation..
 
chocolatemilk said:
It doesn't happen that fast. That's an anomaly if I've ever heard of one.

I have MPB in my family and never get this from Epi or anything DHT related when I cycle. I comb my hair like 10x a day on cycle to stimulate hair follicles and keep them healthy. 4x a day off cycle lol
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Metro much? :biggrin:

Next cycle my hand is going to be shaved so I wont notice any kind of thinning. Not that it effects me since my hair grows like crazy.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Stop recommending finasteride bren if you knew enough about it you wouldn't throw it out so casually. Sh*t if I had to use finasteride to get me through a cycle I would really re-consider cycling. Nizoral and Palmetto will do. It's not even a big deal like you're making it out I have never heard of or seen amongst people I know balding from steroids up until now with you mentioning your friend. Balding and gyno are statistically pretty damn unlikely to happen.
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its a powerful med for sure but seriously... how can combing ur hair help?
 
azntomahawk said:
Metro much? :biggrin:

Next cycle my hand is going to be shaved so I wont notice any kind of thinning. Not that it effects me since my hair grows like crazy.
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Your going to shave your hand??
 
bren565 said:
its a powerful med for sure but seriously... how can combing ur hair help?
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It stimulates the hair follicles and scalp. It won't help if you just start doing it on cycle lol but doing it over a period of many months to years and it greatly reduces chance of balding. My doc had told me to do this a while ago and I've never had problems with any steroids and MPB is in both sides of the family big time.
 
chocolatemilk said:
It stimulates the hair follicles and scalp. It won't help if you just start doing it on cycle lol but doing it over a period of many months to years and it greatly reduces chance of balding. My doc had told me to do this a while ago and I've never had problems with any steroids and MPB is in both sides of the family big time.
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really... thats crazy IM BUYING A COMB TODAY!!!!! i have a V hairline to begin with so... i duno if id want anything else to happen however i seem to have thick hair.. (not sure where i stand)
 
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