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16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS1, Prohormones

jack diesel

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OK so after plenty of research and discussion I've decided to give SARMS a shot and add it to my upcoming cycle. I've put together a nice 16 week plan with some help from Dylan that I'm pretty excited about. I'm going to keep a basic log here on the Elite. I had already ordered from Unique so that's what I'm going to use. After PCT and some time off after the 16 weeks I'm going to try the exact same thing using SARMS1. I should have had HGH for this one, but things didn't work out the way I wanted so I won't be adding it in until later. Also considering IGF-1 Lr3, but for now this is how the cycle will look. I'm not starting it until Monday or Tuesday so feel free to share your thoughts. I hope to get solid feedback throughout the process.

Here is the plan:

1-16 Testosterone cypionate 300 mg week - (Pharmaceutical grade) WATSON

1-16 Liquidex .5 mg eod - AG Guys

1-16 HCGenerate - N2BM

1-4 PrimobolDEX - N2BM

1-4 N2Guard - N2BM

1-8 S4 (Andarine) 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.

1-8 GW-510516 (Cardarine) 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart

9-16 MK-2866 (Ostarine) 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 Oxandrovar - N2BM

9-12 n2guard - N2BM



17-20 Possible PCT

clomid 50/50/25/25 - AG-Guys

nolva 40/20/20/20 - AG-Guys

aromasin 12.5 mg eod - AG-Guys

n2guard - N2BM

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Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

The cycle looks pretty good though you should consider running the GW longer up to 12-14 weeks.

Your PCT needs a lot of work though. Aromasin in there is great, but SERMS only in a PCT will not help you recover. They have a temporary effect, and your test levels will crash as soon as you come off of them. They are good to have in PCT, but you need much more to raise test naturally and control estrogen rebound.

Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

I run HCGenerate pretty much all year round to keep the boys plump and juicy. As far as the PCT I'm on TRT so I take test continuously throughout the year thats why I haven't included any Test stack 17 or phytoserms in it. The original stack Dylan had worked out for me had SARMS from week 1-12, but I have never taken them before so this being my first time I want to see how everything goes first. If I feel good with everything by the 8th week I'll extend the SARMS to 12 weeks and adjust everything else accordingly.
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

Just ordered three of each SARM from SARMS1. I'm thinking about adding LGD4033 to this cycle once I get everything.
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

Before I get started I just want to say that after my order from SARMS1 yesterday I got an e-mail saying they were throwing in a bottle of S4 for free. If this is the kind of service I can expect from them then they've found themselves a lifetime customer. Kind of hope they start making T-Shirts. I love the logo.

DAY 2
Started everything yesterday. I see what everyone s talking about with the taste of the S4. I really didn't think it was as bad as it was made out to be. I put some gatorade in my mouth and squirted it into the back of my throat. Barely tasted it. GW really didn't have any taste that I noticed, but I took it the same way as the S4 so not much chance to taste anything that way. Yesterday was Day 1 on SARMS and also my day off so Today is Day 1 training on SARMS. Legs are my weakest point so I like to start the week with Legs and Finish with Legs so my weekly training schedule is Legs, Chest, Back, Shoulders AM + Arms PM, Legs. I work arms on my lunch break at work usually on the same day as Shoulders, but sometimes on Back day depending on work. I take an hour for lunch so it works out good for me.

Legs

Leg Press - 3 sets- 12 reps feet at middle of platform 12 reps feet at top of platform 20 reps calf press feet at bottom of platform
Machine Squats - 3 sets 12 reps
Seated calf raises - 4 sets 10 reps
Leg extensions - 4 sets 10 reps
lying leg curls - 4 sets 10 reps
Hip abductor - 3 sets 12 reps
Hip adductor - 3 sets 12 reps
Stairs - 2 flights - carrying 2 45 lb plates up and down 4 times.
Stairs - 2 flights - carrying 1 45 lb plate climbing 2 steps at a time up and down 4 times.

Off to the gym I go. Excited for this!
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

DAY 3

198 lb 19% BF
Had a crappy night last night. I think my preworkout was the cause,but I didn't get to sleep til 2:30. Anyway on my way back to the gym for morning Chest workout before work.

CHEST

Flat Dumbbell Bench Press - 3 sets 12,10,8
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press - 3 sets 12,10,8
Incline Hammer Strength Chest Press - (Ramp up Ramp down) 11 set 10 reps increasing weight by 10 for 6 sets the decreasing by 10 for 5sets
Flat Hammer Strength Chest Press - 3 sets 12,10,8
Decline Hammer Strength Chest Press - 3 sets 12,10,8
Pec Dec - 5 Heavy sets 12,10,8,10,12
lUpper cable crossovers - 12,10,8

I'll see how I feel after that and if I have the energy I'll add some more.
 
This is going to be filthy dude... I would love to run this cycle. Really interested in how the Promobol Dex treats you. That one is next on my list.
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

TRICEPS

Dips - 4 sets of 20
Reverse grip pressdowns - 4 sets 15 12 10 8
Pressdowns - 4 sets 15 12 10 8
Kick backs - 3 sets 12 10 8
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

DAY 4

Fell asleep early last night and woke up early this morning. Sweat a bit during sleep last night and sweat more than usual during my workout today. Muscles feel more of a pump during workouts past two days.

BACK
Lat pull down machine - 3 sets - 10 behind the neck 10 in front and 10 laying back to make it a row.
Seated row dual arm cable machine - 3 sets - 10 both, 10 left arm, 10 right arm
Seated hammer strength row - 4 sets of 10
Seated high angled machine row - 4 sets of 10
Bent over barbell rows - 3 sets 10
back extensions - 3 sets of 10
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

Looks just like what I am going to be running except I will also be using RS trans and LPG in cycle and GW in PCT
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

Just got the rest of my SARMS from SARMS1. Think I'm going to add the LGD4033 tomorrow.
 
Re: 16 week cycle log. Test, SARMS, Prohormones

A little behind on my log because of work so I'm gonna catch up here.

DAY 4 part 2 at work March 20 2014

BICEPS

3 sets - "The Rack" - 3 reps each alternating curls - 20 , 25, 30, 35, 30, 25, 20
Preacher curls - 3 sets of 10
Cable curls - 4 sets 10
Rope cable curls - 4 sets 10

DAY 5

Added LGD4033 to this cycle. 5mg day 5 mg night

Slight yellow tint only inside not really outdoors. May be just because of the lights inside the house.

SHOULDERS

Machine Press - 4 sets 10
Upright Rows into Front Plate raises - 4 sets - 10 x 10
Dumbbell Lateral raises - 3 sets - 12, 10, 8
Reverse Pec Dec - 4 sets 10
Standing Cable rows - 4 sets 10
 
DAY 8 Added Muscle Pharm Arnold series Iron Pump preworkout today. Wow. It was one tiny cap full and I think I have to cut that in half. Strong stuff. Very good. I think the SARMS are kicking in at this point. Sweating a lot more and felt a lot better with a stronger pump. Much better workout than I've had in months.


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WEEK 2

I've switched from Uniquemicals to SARMS1 for all my SARMS. Hopefully by the end of the week I'll have some updates for everyone.
 
OK so if you've been following this log or read the cycle setup you know that I'm dosing SARMS like this:

1-8 S4 (Andarine) 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.

1-8 GW-510516 (Cardarine) 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart

I've also added LGD4033 20mg day... once in the AM before I work out.

I've been researching and reading as much as possible and most info says that S4 has a 4 hour half life and GW has a 24 hour half life. If that is the case I'm thinking about changing to:

1-8 S4 (Andarine) 50 mg day... Preworkout 10:30AM

1-8 GW-510516 (Cardarine) 20 mg day... Preworkout 10:30AM

1-8 LGD4033 20mg day... Preworkout 10:30AM

What do you think?
 
This is how I took everything this morning:

1-8 S4 (Andarine) 50 mg day... 25mg... Preworkout 09:30AM... 25mg post workout 12:30PM

1-8 GW-510516 (Cardarine) 20 mg... Preworkout 10:30AM

1-8 LGD4033 20mg... Preworkout 10:30AM
 
I like it man.. I was dosing my s4 exactly 12 hours apart to avoid vision sides

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I'm not dropping the dose. I want to get the most out of it since I'm only doing 8 weeks, but today was weird. I work at night and I'm fine during the day, but as soon as the sun starts to go down it's like being in Alice in wonderland. lol. Trippy to say the least and it doesn't help that the walls are yellow where I'm at. Just can't wait to start seeing the results from this cycle. I did Ben Pakulski's calf workout tuesday, was pretty much fine wednesday but crippled for most of today. If you have an extra $77 to spare and are looking to change your training up it's completely worth it. Ben Pakulski - The Scientific & Cutting Edge Approach To Building Lean Muscle Mass
 
Very nice cycle bro! I actually just started something very similar ;-)

IMO/IME dosing schedule with SARMs has mostly psychological effect (which shouldn't be looked down upon, especially pre-workout), with the exception of S-4, be cause its half life is so short (depending on the source of information, either 2.6 h or 4 h, first option being more accurate one in my personal opinion).
I've tried many different dosing protocols and doses during my research (over a year ago I experimented on dividing GW-50 dose four different equal time periods throughout the day, LOL!)

Anyway, what works best for me is full daily dose of LGD-4033, half dose of GW-50 and S-4 at morning right after waking up. Followed by other half of GW-50 and S-4 about 4-6 hours later, and few hours before working out. This also fits well to my schedule since I workout in midday/afternoon, but it really comes down to personal preference, they will work no matter how you take them, ;-) LOL!

You shouldn't IMO though keep moving the time when you take LGD, it has so long half life that moving the dosing time back and forth will eventually result in uneven blood levels. Of course that will take time, but still...
Btw. why did you decide to start LGD-4033 right away with 20 mgs ED dose? It's seriously some strong stuff bro, and If I understood right, it's your first round with it. It might not be a bad decision at all, I just prefer to start lower, and taper doses up later.

Also, ditch the SERMs from your PCT since you are on TRT, or is there some specific reason you want to take them? Aromasin is good idea to run afterwards, and some Unleashed is always great addition. I'm not against running certain type of PCT while on HRT, (I do it myself too) I just don't understand why take SERMs.

GL, and I'll be following along!
 
northernknight said:
Very nice cycle bro! I actually just started something very similar ;-)

IMO/IME dosing schedule with SARMs has mostly psychological effect (which shouldn't be looked down upon, especially pre-workout), with the exception of S-4, be cause its half life is so short (depending on the source of information, either 2.6 h or 4 h, first option being more accurate one in my personal opinion).
I've tried many different dosing protocols and doses during my research (over a year ago I experimented on dividing GW-50 dose four different equal time periods throughout the day, LOL!)

Anyway, what works best for me is full daily dose of LGD-4033, half dose of GW-50 and S-4 at morning right after waking up. Followed by other half of GW-50 and S-4 about 4-6 hours later, and few hours before working out. This also fits well to my schedule since I workout in midday/afternoon, but it really comes down to personal preference, they will work no matter how you take them, ;-) LOL!

You shouldn't IMO though keep moving the time when you take LGD, it has so long half life that moving the dosing time back and forth will eventually result in uneven blood levels. Of course that will take time, but still...
Btw. why did you decide to start LGD-4033 right away with 20 mgs ED dose? It's seriously some strong stuff bro, and If I understood right, it's your first round with it. It might not be a bad decision at all, I just prefer to start lower, and taper doses up later.

Also, ditch the SERMs from your PCT since you are on TRT, or is there some specific reason you want to take them? Aromasin is good idea to run afterwards, and some Unleashed is always great addition. I'm not against running certain type of PCT while on HRT, (I do it myself too) I just don't understand why take SERMs.

GL, and I'll be following along!
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OK I'm not actually doing PCT. That was part of the original plan Dylan had worked out for me, but I'm on Test year round so theres no need for it. I can't edit the post thats why its still there.

The Liquidex is because I'm prone to gyno and it prevents me from getting it.

The LGD I had originally started at a split dose twice a day, but Dylan advised me to take the whole dose once daily so after the third day on it I switched. Haven't changed it since.

I haven't heard of any sides from LGD so that's why I started at that dose. If I started having some weird reactions I would have backed it down accordingly, but I'm not a fan of starting low and ramping it up over time if theres not a specific reason. It's only an 8 week cycle so I'm maximizing the potential benefits by doing it this way.

The only negative changes I've seen so far is the yellow tint and I've been getting dry skin around my knuckles and other areas of my body like ribs and triceps which is a bit unusual. Other than that I'm not seeing any sides right now so I'm keeping doses where they are at,
 
Right on, makes sense. Many of these things are personal preferences, and some respond better than others to certain substances. ie. I can tolerate uncommonly high doses of S-4 without side effects that would bother me, and respond to very well to even very low doses of both MK and LGD.
I didn't mean to the sound offensive/smart ass or anything like that, more just wondering out loud, lol! Definitely get everything you can out of that cycle, that's what this is all about!
 
northernknight said:
Right on, makes sense. Many of these things are personal preferences, and some respond better than others to certain substances. ie. I can tolerate uncommonly high doses of S-4 without side effects that would bother me, and respond to very well to even very low doses of both MK and LGD.
I didn't mean to the sound offensive/smart ass or anything like that, more just wondering out loud, lol! Definitely get everything you can out of that cycle, that's what this is all about!
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You didn't sound like a smart ass brother I just wanted to answer all your questions so you know where I'm at and why I'm there.
 
WEEK 3

It's been difficult to post daily updates between work and training so I've cut it down to weekly updates. Nothing significant to report for week 2, but now I'm into the third week and this is supposed to be when the PrimobolDEX starts to kick in. Will keep the thread updated on how this week goes.
 
jack diesel said:
WEEK 3

It's been difficult to post daily updates between work and training so I've cut it down to weekly updates. Nothing significant to report for week 2, but now I'm into the third week and this is supposed to be when the PrimobolDEX starts to kick in. Will keep the thread updated on how this week goes.
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It will pick up bro, keep it up and stay focused.
 
hurricane said:
It will pick up bro, keep it up and stay focused.
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The only thing I've ever taken that I felt working in less than a week was "Fina" and that was 7 or 8 years ago. Everything else takes time to kick, but when it does you always know. I'm nothing if I'm not patient. Results will start coming this week I'm sure of it.

196 lbs 19.7% BF
 
Week 3

DAY 19

196 lbs 20.7% BF
Starting to feel and see a difference at this point. Muscles are fuller and harder. Shirts are fitting tighter. Slight increase strength from week 2 to 3. No real difference in endurance yet. Next week I plan to start running three times a week so I should be able to see a difference in endurance from week to week on my runs. I've been using an Omron bodyfat analyzer because its convenient and it used to be reasonably accurate when compared to calipers, but I think it's calibration is off so I'm going to order some calipers and start using those. Just got my Oxandrovar, HCGnerate ES, and another bottle of HCGenerate in today so I now have everything I need to finish the 16 weeks. Might have to get another bottle of Oxandrovar if I decide to do 6 weeks of it. Theres definitely a visible difference from day 1 to day 19. 93 days left to the very end of this cycle. Should be amazed by then.
 
DAY 20

Great workout today. I was tired all day at work and close to skipping the workout, but I dragged myself into the gym, had a few sips of ABB Extreme speed stack preworkout and had a solid shoulder workout. My back is looking really good right now. Had to stop taking the Arnold Iron pump because I can't sleep at night when I take it. I took one full scoop (the scoop is tiny BTW) at around 11am was wired all day and couldn't sleep til 2am the next morning. Missed my workout that day because I needed to sleep before work. Took a half scoop the next day at 11am and that felt a lot better during the workout and throughout the day, but I still couldn't sleep that night. I can definitely report that this cycle is starting to kick in nicely. Really want more energy so I don't need the Preworkouts for the gym though. Hope I start to see that soon.
 
WEEK 4

Dropped the S4 down to 20mg twice a day today. I had some Sake last week and noticed my night vision was terrible. Had some again last night and my vision issues became even worse. I don't drink that often. These were both special occasions, but I really think that alcohol increases the effects of the vision sides. I won't be drinking again for a while so thats not really a concern, but I have lowered the dose because of it. If no problems occur in the next couple days I'll raise it back up to 25mg twice daily. This will be my last week on PrimobolDEX. I'll be on SARMS and test for the next 4 weeks after that until I go on vacation. When I come back Ill be starting the Oxandrovar, Ostarine and continuing on test. Feeling good right now. Seeing good results from everything. My back is really showing great results. Changing a few things in my training and diet this week. I Really want to work on upper pecs and shoulders more.
 
jack diesel said:
WEEK 4

Dropped the S4 down to 20mg twice a day today. I had some Sake last week and noticed my night vision was terrible. Had some again last night and my vision issues became even worse. I don't drink that often. These were both special occasions, but I really think that alcohol increases the effects of the vision sides. I won't be drinking again for a while so thats not really a concern, but I have lowered the dose because of it. If no problems occur in the next couple days I'll raise it back up to 25mg twice daily. This will be my last week on PrimobolDEX. I'll be on SARMS and test for the next 4 weeks after that until I go on vacation. When I come back Ill be starting the Oxandrovar, Ostarine and continuing on test. Feeling good right now. Seeing good results from everything. My back is really showing great results. Changing a few things in my training and diet this week. I Really want to work on upper pecs and shoulders more.
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great log.Keep us updated on the s4, i always looks for ways to manipulate the s4 sides.Its an amazing product and your outlook on alcohol is interesting .
 
hurricane said:
great log.Keep us updated on the s4, i always looks for ways to manipulate the s4 sides.Its an amazing product and your outlook on alcohol is interesting .
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Hurricane the vision sides became pretty scary both times I drank. Definitely would not have been able to drive and was having borderline hallucinogenic vision when I went to bed. Kind of scared me a little bit that's why I decided to lower the dose. I'm pretty positive it was from the sake, but I want to give it a few days at 40mg just to make sure before I bump it back up.
 
With the s4 vision sides- toward the beginning I noticed more yellow vision and less of the night vision issue. Now that I'm toward the end of my cycle, I don't really notice the yellow tint anymore. But the night vision is a lot worse. I can see when cars drive past now, but I carry a flashlight with me to see in the dark! Haha
 
steveff said:
With the s4 vision sides- toward the beginning I noticed more yellow vision and less of the night vision issue. Now that I'm toward the end of my cycle, I don't really notice the yellow tint anymore. But the night vision is a lot worse. I can see when cars drive past now, but I carry a flashlight with me to see in the dark! Haha
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I really won't be able to ignore the sides if they get that bad because of work. If it gets to the point where I have to carry a flashlight around I'll just stop taking it.
 
Update: I've dropped the S4 to 25mg once in the AM before training. The vision sides just keep getting stronger. Still taking it before training though so let's see how it goes.


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On a side note seeing life in yellow 24/7 is rather depressing. I feel like I'm living in the series walking dead every day. If anyone has a link to Dylan's write up on how to manage S4 sides please post it. I'm going to keep making changes until its gone and if I can't get it right I'm just going to discontinue the S4.


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Shrine1 said:
Take two days off of the s4. Run it 5 on and then 2 off. I kind of liked the yellow tint.

Andarine (S-4) - Evolutionary.org

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OK I thought I saw something from Dylan about lowering the dose by 5mg am and pm daily until the sides go away and then working your way back up until sides come back to see what point yellow vision comes in. The yellow tint wasn't really bothering me at first, but no I haven't seen a blue sky in three weeks and everything is yellowish. It's depressing as hell I would hate to see life this way all the time. I've got another 4.5 weeks left on S4 and I want to keep taking it the whole time so I've gotta lower the dosage enough to get rid of the tint and night blindness. I might try 15g am and pm to see how that works. If it doesn't then I'll give 5 on 2 off a shot.
 
40mgs of S4 is where my vision sides started. I guess it's different for everyone. I'd really like to try 100mgs but I'd be blind.
 
I've been playing around with dosages this week and things started getting better when I dropped it to (roughly) 15mg AM. I jumped back up to 25mg and it came back instantly so I'm going to try 15g AM 15mg PM and see how that works. Sides were getting so bad I considered scrapping the S4 completely.


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Yeah IDK why, but 15mg still produces sides. I'll keep playing with it until I find my sweet spot. This is all one big experiment for me.


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Down to 15mg AM and PM. Sides have been less potent today. Hopefully I can get to at least 20mg AM and PM without sides coming back too strong.
 
S4 is my favorite sarm but there's definitely a right and wrong way to run it. Hope the sides subside for you
 
jack diesel said:
Yeah IDK why, but 15mg still produces sides. I'll keep playing with it until I find my sweet spot. This is all one big experiment for me.


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if you cant handle it, it might be time to move on bro.its not a product for everyone but alot of people love it.
 
Ok it's been a while since my last update. I've ben busy with work and training and also trying to tweak the S4 to a dose that agrees with me. Here's where I'm at right now.

Week 6

Today is the last day of week 5. 198 lbs 16.7% BF

My body weight is roughly the same as when I started, but body fat has dropped significantly. Theres a noticeable difference in muscle size and and hardness. My back has been the most drastic improvement overall, but legs also are showing nice growth from the first 5 weeks. In my opinion ProimobolDEX and SARMS are definitely the real deal. I've seen quite a change in just 5 weeks. I was seeing quick improvements at 50mg of S4 which lessened as I lowered the dose. Unfortunately for me I've been overly susceptible to the S4 sides so I had to lower dosage and play with it more than I thought I would. I've decided to change the plan mid cycle. After finishing the first bottle of LGD, GW and most of the S4 I'm not going to start the next bottles. Originally it was going to be 8 weeks on each, but I'm stopping at 5. When I come back from Vacation I'm going to start the Osta and Oxandrovar as planned, but in week 10 instead of week 9. I've experienced some side effects that I need to figure out the cause of. It may be one of the SARMS or it may be something else I nned to adjust, but without trying everything separately I won't be able to pinpoint the cause. It's nothing major just some acid reflux and I haven't been sleeping normally. I can usually sleep 8 hours straight and very little can wake me up. Lately any noise or movement in the night wakes me which means that I'm not getting the deep sleep or straight uninterrupted sleep that I'm accustomed to and is necessary when trying to build quality muscle. It's also making me exhausted when I get to work. I still have enough S4, GW and LGD to do another cycle of each, but I'm going to wait until this 16 week cycle is over and I'm going to run them all separately. All in all though I was very impressed by the combination of SARMS and PrimobolDEX.
 
dylangemelli said:
if you must, go to the 5 on and 2 off protocol with s4... that's the best way to get around the side effects...
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I thought about that, but I really want to pinpoint the cause of each of the reactions I'm having so I can plan out a more effective and less negatively effective cycle on my next run which will be 10-12 weeks after this one.I still have 2-3 bottles of each SARM left so I figure its better to find out how each one effects me individually and adjust accordingly.
 
jack diesel said:
Ok it's been a while since my last update. I've ben busy with work and training and also trying to tweak the S4 to a dose that agrees with me. Here's where I'm at right now.

Week 6

Today is the last day of week 5. 198 lbs 16.7% BF

My body weight is roughly the same as when I started, but body fat has dropped significantly. Theres a noticeable difference in muscle size and and hardness. My back has been the most drastic improvement overall, but legs also are showing nice growth from the first 5 weeks. In my opinion ProimobolDEX and SARMS are definitely the real deal. I've seen quite a change in just 5 weeks. I was seeing quick improvements at 50mg of S4 which lessened as I lowered the dose. Unfortunately for me I've been overly susceptible to the S4 sides so I had to lower dosage and play with it more than I thought I would. I've decided to change the plan mid cycle. After finishing the first bottle of LGD, GW and most of the S4 I'm not going to start the next bottles. Originally it was going to be 8 weeks on each, but I'm stopping at 5. When I come back from Vacation I'm going to start the Osta and Oxandrovar as planned, but in week 10 instead of week 9. I've experienced some side effects that I need to figure out the cause of. It may be one of the SARMS or it may be something else I nned to adjust, but without trying everything separately I won't be able to pinpoint the cause. It's nothing major just some acid reflux and I haven't been sleeping normally. I can usually sleep 8 hours straight and very little can wake me up. Lately any noise or movement in the night wakes me which means that I'm not getting the deep sleep or straight uninterrupted sleep that I'm accustomed to and is necessary when trying to build quality muscle. It's also making me exhausted when I get to work. I still have enough S4, GW and LGD to do another cycle of each, but I'm going to wait until this 16 week cycle is over and I'm going to run them all separately. All in all though I was very impressed by the combination of SARMS and PrimobolDEX.
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very nice.. i would love to hear your opinions on primobol and oxandrovar.And how you compare their different results.I dont think many people have used both yet.They both contain some of the same ingredients but yet some that are pretty different.
 
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