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142 Years ago tomorrow...

redguru

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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
 
hamstershaver said:
were they really dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal?

That's a very good question. Perhaps Lincoln thought so, or maybe he wanted the American people to think so. I believe the founding fathers regarded all land owners as equals, anyway.
 
hamstershaver said:
were they really dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal?
you have to remember those times were before big time sports
we now know better
 
who plays hockey tonight?
 
4everhung,

This is why Presidents should draft thier own speeches. Lincoln's speeches were always more eloquent than anything post-Kennedy. Reagan's speeches were sometimes good, but that was more delivery I suspect.
 
redguru said:
4everhung,

This is why Presidents should draft thier own speeches. Lincoln's speeches were always more eloquent than anything post-Kennedy. Reagan's speeches were sometimes good, but that was more delivery I suspect.
is that what that was?
a presidential speech
missed it on cspan
 
actually I think the intent was that all men are created equal BEFORE THE LAW
 
4everhung said:
actually I think the intent was that all men are created equal BEFORE THE LAW

Yes, because at the time they weren't getting taxed like other British subjects and had no formal representation in Parliament. Franklin did have a residence in London and did speak before Parliament on numerous occasions.
 
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