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jdevlin1985
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buffalo said:
Or GH and ECA and lose 30lbs.
heavy_duty
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how's your diet and cardio bro?
heavy_duty
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i'm sure he'll take something for the liver
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jdevlin1985
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buffalo said:
12 weeks is sure enough to see dramatic fat loss properties.
a 12 week var run isnt going to be that detrimental to the liver, guys blow that kind of thing WAY out of proportion...now of course we know nothing of this guy and maybe he is a recovering alocholic or something but your everday person and 12 weeks of var isnt going to make their liver fall out when they take a shit, come on now......
as for the guy who wrote the post you will do fine with that cycle and dont forget that most of it has to do with diet and cardio more so then what your taking....manipulate your cals as you go.....good luck bro
as for the guy who wrote the post you will do fine with that cycle and dont forget that most of it has to do with diet and cardio more so then what your taking....manipulate your cals as you go.....good luck bro
big49ersfan
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me personally would run if your looking for a cycle that has minimal sides and easy to recover from. which i take it is why your avoiding test
weeks 1-12 primo
weeks 8-14 var
i think that would be better for you personally i dont like eca or clen dont really like the sides but if you want to run them, then do it like this:
weeks 1+2, 5+6, 9+10, 13+14 clen
weeks 4+5, 7+8, 11+12 ECA
weeks 1-12 primo
weeks 8-14 var
i think that would be better for you personally i dont like eca or clen dont really like the sides but if you want to run them, then do it like this:
weeks 1+2, 5+6, 9+10, 13+14 clen
weeks 4+5, 7+8, 11+12 ECA
jdevlin1985
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itlnstln said:
The most decent advice i've seen posted for a long time.
steelmass
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itlnstln said:
Exactly! Get your diet right and diet/cardio for 6 weeks. Lose 1-2 lbs a week. Then after about 6 weeks it gets harder, do clen 2 weeks, eca 2 weeks, clen 2 weeks eca 2 weeks. You are 14 weeks down the road, could easily lose 20 lbs the right way and didn't have to abuse your hpta.
big49ersfan
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only reasoni suggested primo was cos it is mild the hwole idea of using ass on a cut is too maintain muscle bulk and primo would do that. it would minise sides that can be assosiated with test and the dude said he was 50 so im taking it he wants to miise sides hence why he suggested var. but IMO for such a prolonged cycle and injectble is the way foward and i think primo being the most mild and lesat suppressive is the drug of choice here.
I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. No, Im not a recovering alcoholic with a damaged liver, and yes , the reason for the AAS was to maintain strngth and muscle while losing wt. Guys at 50, the metabolism slows down a bit, the recovery is slower and the joints (after yrs of sports) arent what they used to be... On the otherhand, Im not trying to be Mr O either. Want to mauntian my hair, my nuts and have fun in the gym.big49ersfan said:
Ive never tried Primo. Its really more mild than VAR? thanx again.
jdevlin1985
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50cent said:
K to you. Respect and manners will get you far.
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immortalis
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itlnstln said:
amen bro. If I could give you some Karma again yet I would!
big49ersfan
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bro it doesnt have the same effect on your being an injetable dont matter if you have ever drunk booze in your life before 12 weeks of orals is a long time. im 22 i dont drink have doen once in my life dont touch reccy drugs and tbh i would even consider 12 weeks of var.
primo for the 12 weeks bro, it will cost about the smae or at least it would for me both are pricy to be honest.
primo for the 12 weeks bro, it will cost about the smae or at least it would for me both are pricy to be honest.
Thanx again, and there isnt anything magical about the 12 weeks. I will order up some primo today,and if it comes in within a week, ill start a week later and follow your suggestion. On the otherhand, if i cant get the primo here for several weeks,(and we've all had THAT experience right) how many weeks of Var is safe? 8? 8-10? And also, would it be ok to go 1-8VAR 9-12 Primo? Or just take a break for a month after doing a var only cycle of 8 -10 weeks, and restart on primo? Take care.big49ersfan said:
big49ersfan
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id run var weeks for 8 weeks max tbh i ran it for 6 weeks and noticed some sides i.e. prolonged bleeding times and lethargy but im not getting bloods until a month fter pct so wont be able to quantify this tbh.
id run
primo 1-12
with var either
weeks 1-8
or
weeks 7- 14
ive never run primo many i know and train with have and 12 weeks is a good length for primo and 8 weeks max IMO for var
id run
primo 1-12
with var either
weeks 1-8
or
weeks 7- 14
ive never run primo many i know and train with have and 12 weeks is a good length for primo and 8 weeks max IMO for var
dtsnow2000
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boops said:a 12 week var run isnt going to be that detrimental to the liver, guys blow that kind of thing WAY out of proportion...now of course we know nothing of this guy and maybe he is a recovering alocholic or something but your everday person and 12 weeks of var isnt going to make their liver fall out when they take a shit, come on now......
as for the guy who wrote the post you will do fine with that cycle and dont forget that most of it has to do with diet and cardio more so then what your taking....manipulate your cals as you go.....good luck bro
i agree with boops.. people give var a undue bad rap. i think its because MOST other orals are bad on the liver they assume var is as well. but read the following article. very good. READ THE 7th paragraph.
Oxandrolone has often been used as a growth-promoting
agent in the therapy of boys with growth delays in
adolescence. In fact, according to one Italian study,
oxandrolone was as effective as GH in promoting growth
in these individuals. One French study found it superior
to GH in treating girls affected with Turner's syndrome,
another growth-delay ailment. In obese individuals,
oral oxandrolone has been shown to decrease
subcutaneous abdominal fat more than testosterone
enanthate or weight loss alone, and it also tended
to produce favorable changes in visceral fat.
Oxandrolone works specifically by amplifying the
amount of growth hormone (GH) released per burst
without altering GH secretory burst duration, frequency,
or the GH half-life.
Dosage
As little as 2.5 mg of the drug can positively
shift nitrogen balance. Dosages used by bodybuilders
range from 0.125 mg to 2.5 mg per kilogram of bodyweight.
Studies do not support any benefits to dosages over
1.1 mg/kg, and European bodybuilding coaches consider
0.25 to 0.5 mg/kg to be the optimal dosage. Most male
bodybuilders have reported significant improvements
in strength and recovery ability from dosages varying
between 30 mg and 80 mg per day. Female bodybuilders
use about half of the male dosage.
Beneficial effects
Oxandrolone is a multipurpose drug, as it is used
during both off and in season for competitive
bodybuilding, many weight-class regulated sports,
track and field, cycling, and strength sports. In
strength-training circles, Oxandrolone has been
reported as the most efficient strength-inducing
drug on a per-mg basis.
It is believed to be one of the best inducers of
creatine phosphate synthesis in muscle tissue.
However, there are no scientific studies to
support this statement.
Its low androgenicity makes it very popular with
many female athletes, such as bodybuilders.
It has virtually no liver toxicity, even at doses
as high as 80 mg a day. It's even been given to
patients suffering from liver cirrohsis.
Oxandrolone will not shut down a man's pituitary-gonadal
axis. There is no evidence that it suppresses testosterone
or sperm production, which is why it's the oral of choice
when pyramiding off steroids. Many bodybuilders have
tapered off anabolic usage by switching to Oxandrolone
at 30 mg per day and slowly reducing the dosage by 2.5 mg
every five days until endogenous testosterone production
is back to normal.
Bodybuilders rate it as an excellent hardening drug
for physique contests.
Athletes report that with Oxandrolone, they have the
highest retention of gains upon cessation of use when
compared with other steroids.
It's one of the only anabolics that does not cause
premature closure of bone epiphyses in children.
Since it doesn't aromatize, there's no need to take
Tamoxifen, Proviron, or Cytadren when using oxandrolone.
Negative side effects:
It has more negative effects on blood lipids than reported
originally in scientific literature.
In females, dosages above 15 mg a day can cause facial
hair, deepening of the voice, clitoral hypertrophy, and
acne.
With Oxandrolone, a very limited number of individuals
have reported gastrointestinal problems ranging from a
sensation of stomach fullness to appetite suppression,
nausea, and diarrhea.
big49ersfan
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dts i haev been on var for lat 6 weks @ 60mg ed im getting bloods done after pct and will let you know how my liver values are. TBH i think it has affected by liver function at a very simplistic level bleeding at injection sites is now prolonged which is a sign of decreased lliver function.
