12 week cutter - opinions .

[VictorBR]

week -1-12 : EQ or primo - 500 mg week ( still deciding )
week 1-6 - turanabol - 50 mg ED
week 1-6 - winny 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - var 50 mg ED
week 6-12 - masteron 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron 50 mg ED

Currently 200 lbs and 10-12 % . Goal : 200 lbs and 5 % .

Diet : 2000 calories , 270 g protein , 170 g carbs and 30 g fat .

I might follow this up with a 6 week bulker , so I might be looking into a 18 week cycle .

A lot of oral on the cutting so I will need liver protections and what else ? prostate protection ? kidneys ? oh by the way , that is a lot of winny , is there anything to protect my joints , ligaments and tendons ?


Victor

 

[WannaBeBig72]

week -1-12 : EQ or primo - 500 mg week ( still deciding )
week 1-6 - turanabol - 50 mg ED
week 1-6 - winny 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - var 50 mg ED
week 6-12 - masteron 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron 50 mg ED

Currently 200 lbs and 10-12 % . Goal : 200 lbs and 5 % .

Diet : 2000 calories , 270 g protein , 170 g carbs and 30 g fat .

I might follow this up with a 6 week bulker , so I might be looking into a 18 week cycle .

A lot of oral on the cutting so I will need liver protections and what else ? prostate protection ? kidneys ? oh by the way , that is a lot of winny , is there anything to protect my joints , ligaments and tendons ?


Victor

That's a shitload of orals man. I would choose either the Winny or Tbol the first 6 weeks. From what I've read on Tbol it's as toxic as dbol. It sounds like you're trying to lose 10 pounds of fat. Should be easy at that calorie level and that much juice in your system.

 

[will b huge]

I was thinking a completely different direction (maybe VAR, Clen, T3 or GH), but I would also prefer to hear some expert opinions from experience....(Great post though, very much looking for some great feedback)

 

[ricorico]

week -1-12 : EQ or primo - 500 mg week ( still deciding )
week 1-6 - turanabol - 50 mg ED
week 1-6 - winny 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - var 50 mg ED
week 6-12 - masteron 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron 50 mg ED

Currently 200 lbs and 10-12 % . Goal : 200 lbs and 5 % .

Diet : 2000 calories , 270 g protein , 170 g carbs and 30 g fat .

I might follow this up with a 6 week bulker , so I might be looking into a 18 week cycle .

A lot of oral on the cutting so I will need liver protections and what else ? prostate protection ? kidneys ? oh by the way , that is a lot of winny , is there anything to protect my joints , ligaments and tendons ?


Victor

you could take any product with glucosamine and chrondroitin to protect your joints, or just add some deca to the mix

 

[Ulter]

I don't think it's "a lot" of winny. I use twice that most the time. Deca may give some relief from the joint pain but it's not likely.

I also wouldn't use Masteron AND Proviron at the same time. They are the same thing.

 

[ricorico]

I don't think it's "a lot" of winny. I use twice that most the time. Deca may give some relief from the joint pain but it's not likely.

I also wouldn't use Masteron AND Proviron at the same time. They are the same thing.

u dont think deca will help prevent joint pain? im 100% pain free with deca, even when i start a cycle with sore joints....but thats just me i guess, differnet compounds effect different peopel in differnt ways....triflex is crucial too

 

[Ulter]

I haven't gone without deca in over 5 years. I can't even put on my own coat or a seat belt if I don't take deca for my shoulders. So do I think it prevents joint pain? Sure do.
But the question of whether or not it helps with winny is another question. It may help with joints but the problem with winny isn't limited to joints. It makes the tendons brittle and causes muscle pulls. Deca won't help with that.

 

[ricorico]

I haven't gone without deca in over 5 years. I can't even put on my own coat or a seat belt if I don't take deca for my shoulders. So do I think it prevents joint pain? Sure do.
But the question of whether or not it helps with winny is another question. It may help with joints but the problem with winny isn't limited to joints. It makes the tendons brittle and causes muscle pulls. Deca won't help with that.

tru tru......didnt think of muscle pulls and tendons...good info, have some K

 

[lurcan]

week -1-12 : EQ or primo - 500 mg week ( still deciding )
week 1-6 - turanabol - 50 mg ED
week 1-6 - winny 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - var 50 mg ED
week 6-12 - masteron 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron 50 mg ED

Currently 200 lbs and 10-12 % . Goal : 200 lbs and 5 % .

Diet : 2000 calories , 270 g protein , 170 g carbs and 30 g fat .

I might follow this up with a 6 week bulker , so I might be looking into a 18 week cycle .

A lot of oral on the cutting so I will need liver protections and what else ? prostate protection ? kidneys ? oh by the way , that is a lot of winny , is there anything to protect my joints , ligaments and tendons ?


Victor

I'd choose EQ over primo. But I'd also add some test prop to this mix. Use injectable winny, do the var first and tbol later and drop the Proviron altogether. Proviron is not the same as Masteron. But it's not clear that you need it in this cycle. Proviron is generaly used to control bloat, harden you a little and keep your libido running on high. Masteron will do all of that, but to a much larger degree. However, you should know that you won't see dramatic effects from Mast unless you are ~7%bf or less. If you don't think you can hit that mark by week 6, then save your money on the Mast and run the Winny all the way through. Luck.

 

[VictorBR]

" You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Ulter again. "

lol , ok thanks as always guys .

Ulter , proviron and masteron are the same thing ?!?!?!? how is that ?

I am not gonna use deca for the winny , if I start getting too much pain I will just use joint fuel from twinlab .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

I was thinking a completely different direction (maybe VAR, Clen, T3 or GH), but I would also prefer to hear some expert opinions from experience....(Great post though, very much looking for some great feedback)

>> I will be using var in the final 6 weeks, I hate clen it is not worth the sides imo , I am not using T3 to screw with my thyroid , and HGH is kinda expensive to work as a cutter ....

My goals here are to drop something like 15 pounds of fat and gain something like 15 pounds of muscle...


Victor