10 days into first cycle and running into some issues

[LoveSnatches]

So I am on my 10th day of 75mg Halodrol and Trenazone each -
starting to see some gains already up 3 very lean pounds.

Background: Age 26, 5'10 175lbs 10% BF training for a few years playing professional paintball.

BUT - I've run into 3 issues so far:
1) I am soo lethargic - I had to take a preworkout to get to the gym today - very rare.

2) My appetite is wayyy down - even while taking GHRP-6!

3) My forearms bruised really bad during supinated deadlifts - so bad that it looked like I gave myself giant hickeys on my forearms.
Is this pumps?

 

[musclei]

I don't agree or feel able to help with an oral only cycle but seeing how you haven't got any responses yet, here it goes.

I was lethargic too on my first cycle and it can be caused by two different things: either you're still adjusting or you're high on estrogen. Are you using an antiestrogen? I'm not sure if you even need one because I don't know those two compounds. Are they prohormones?

About those bruises, they don't sound good. No, that's not how you get pumped and are you sure you got them just from lifting weights? I don't like how that sounds.

 

[Soulthief]

If I was taking any new drug and got sudden bruises on me that I thought were related, I would be sitting in the doctors waiting room.

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[digit0x]

I don't agree or feel able to help with an oral only cycle but seeing how you haven't got any responses yet, here it goes.

I was lethargic too on my first cycle and it can be caused by two different things: either you're still adjusting or you're high on estrogen. Are you using an antiestrogen? I'm not sure if you even need one because I don't know those two compounds. Are they prohormones?

About those bruises, they don't sound good. No, that's not how you get pumped and are you sure you got them just from lifting weights? I don't like how that sounds.

There's a few things that can cause lethargy when using AAS, and even more with orals. Adjust your doses, eat more carbs, get good support sup and keep sleep regular and at least 8-9 hours/day.

Bruises on forearms.... Did you roll the bar on your arms? Perhaps some other inadvertent contact with a bar during exercise? If you are experience spontaneous internal hemorrhaging cease immediately and consider going to ER. If you're just bleeding internally for no reason in your arms, it could start happening somewhere else more serious....

 

[Toogood]

So I am on my 10th day of 75mg Halodrol and Trenazone each -
starting to see some gains already up 3 very lean pounds.

Background: Age 26, 5'10 175lbs 10% BF training for a few years playing professional paintball.

BUT - I've run into 3 issues so far:
1) I am soo lethargic - I had to take a preworkout to get to the gym today - very rare.

2) My appetite is wayyy down - even while taking GHRP-6!

3) My forearms bruised really bad during supinated deadlifts - so bad that it looked like I gave myself giant hickeys on my forearms.
Is this pumps?

I am not sure about those two compounds either so idk.

I did however find it interesting that you play pro paintball. I myself used to play D2 but couldn't progress because of the demands of school. I haven't played in about a year and a half. I know it's probably personal with this being a steroid forum, but who do you play for if you don't mind me asking?

 

[LoveSnatches]

Thank you for all the responses.

I decided to try the oral+transdermal first as yes I know theres no Test base but I concluded test would shut me down much harder than a month of these two- Thus saving Test for next cycle.

My sleep is definitely being affected from night sweats the past few nights which I imagine is leading to the lethargy.

But for the bruising!!!!!
I was deadlifting and my grip failed since I was doing it open handed. I was thinking I just got such severe pumps it popped a capillary. Googling bruising on Halo apparently you clot less and RBC goes through the roof. Here is a photo of my forearm.

 

[stevesmi]

So I am on my 10th day of 75mg Halodrol and Trenazone each -
starting to see some gains already up 3 very lean pounds.

Background: Age 26, 5'10 175lbs 10% BF training for a few years playing professional paintball.

BUT - I've run into 3 issues so far:
1) I am soo lethargic - I had to take a preworkout to get to the gym today - very rare.

where are your support supps? your blood pressure is going through the roof and you are doing nothing to help matters. lower your dose right now or stop taking for a couple days to give your body a rest. then continue on. you need to be on some type of support supp. no reason not to

2) My appetite is wayyy down - even while taking GHRP-6!

bad choice if you want appetite increase. at your size you should be bulking, not cutting. you are too skinny right now. 5 10 and 175 is a stick. this is where AAS use becomes counter productive and why we tell guys to build a base first. at your height you can easily get to 200 just be fixing your diet

3) My forearms bruised really bad during supinated deadlifts - so bad that it looked like I gave myself giant hickeys on my forearms.
Is this pumps?
nope its not pumps and i would recommend seeing a doctor asap. this could be something very serious going on. yes its true you thereotically clot less and bruise 'easier' on AAS but what you have is something very suspicious going on.. like an underlying issue that merely is being exposed now. i would see a good doc and get bloodwork done asap.

in bold

 

[LoveSnatches]

I am trying to bulk- here is a photo. I was told I have a good base to start. Talked to a pro today at his shop he said forearm and bicep bruises are common on cycle and I need to stretch and drink more water.

Bruises are totally gone and absolutely no pain - so I think that'll be ok. Appetite and sleep I hope to improve today I will be eating 3 buffet meals at 16-20 oz of meat plus a day off of all chemicals.

I do have test C but thought I would just run these for now. Getting a cycle support supp and better herb for sleep


Thanks for the info guys

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[LoveSnatches]

Here is my pic at 175lbs

Neither of them convert to estrogen. Halo may but conversion rate is nill. Tren is a progestin though. No AI though.

 

[LoveSnatches]

I am between teams at the moment but pm me I'll talk to you more about it

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[stevesmi]

I am trying to bulk- here is a photo. I was told I have a good base to start. Talked to a pro today at his shop he said forearm and bicep bruises are common on cycle and I need to stretch and drink more water.

Bruises are totally gone and absolutely no pain - so I think that'll be ok. Appetite and sleep I hope to improve today I will be eating 3 buffet meals at 16-20 oz of meat plus a day off of all chemicals.

I do have test C but thought I would just run these for now. Getting a cycle support supp and better herb for sleep


Thanks for the info guys

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i will tell you this as bluntly as i can then check out of this thread. a bodybuilder/lifter who fails to listen to his body is one that will fail in this lifestyle. your body gave you 2 signals that something was wrong in the past day. you can either ignore it, or you can listen to it. a lot of guys are clueless like a dog not knowing how to tell you it needs to go out to pee, and they fail at this lifestyle.. those are the guys who run a cycle or two then quit and you never hear from them again.. or sign up for a gym membership and a month later quit going.. sounds like you are in tune with your body which is a good thing, so LISTEN to it and you will go far.. ignore it and you won't last very long

 

[musclei]

Kids and their prohormones cycles and their "I'll save the test for later"...
Good luck with your cycle and keep an eye on those bruises because you don't get those from steroids.

 

[LoveSnatches]

Took a full day off all chemicals. Dropping the Trenazone going to run Halo 75mg per day rest of the 30 days adding in cycle assist.

Well why would I want to run test?
I have access to Test, Deca, and EQ - I really want to run those at some point but trying to start small.

I feel 4 weeks of 75mg of Halo is going to be much easier on the HPTA than even 250mg of test per week.

I actually have the ability to start 250mg Test C a week at this exact moment - but I'm trying to go slow.

The bruises are all gone no pain - after talking to 3-4 pros its not that uncommon to get bruised biceps or forearms while on an oral cycle.

But why would you run test instead of halo?
What is wrong with my logic here???

 

[musclei]

But why would you run test instead of halo?
What is wrong with my logic here???

Bro, I'm sorry if I sounded a little conceited before and now probably I'm going to sound like a total ignorant.

The reason why I personally don't like people running prohormones is that I don't know them and therefore I don't trust them. To me all they are is supplements (at best) with names chosen to resemble those of real steroids and that might or might not stimulate the release of actual hormones, that hormone being testosterone no matter which one your taking because what else is your body going to produce, Halo and Tren?

And I also think prohormones are sold to children only because they are semi-legal for the moment and none really knows if they actually do something.

Again, I'm sorry if it turns out there´s scientific evidence that these supplements really work it's just that it gets me on my nerves seeing their names with their halo-something and their deca-blah-blah.

 

[Voijn]

would you please stop what your doing, i might be against most prohormones because there is no studies on them and their effects. Alot of prohormones are drugs that are laid off by medical pharms due to their sides and not wanted effects!!! GET FUKING REAL

They are able to sell that shit because they can come around with it, and your using what was put into the dumpster... If u want to do something take test.

would you swollow a pill that i gave you, without knowing what it does or what the sides are? i think not, but thats exatly what your doing

 

[Rockwilder]

Halodrol is not a PH. It's an active Anabolic Androgenic Steroid. I'm not completely sure about the Trenazone stuff, but I also think it is a AAS/designer steroid [don't quote me on that though].

 

[LoveSnatches]

Halodrol and Trenazone (dienolone) are both active steroids. Their delivery system allows them to remain in legal limbo at the moment.

But gosh there are tons of reports of these two - results, side effects, half life, etc etc...

Halodrol is similiar to Tbol - Trenazone is a progestin.

The science behind it doesn't scare me - the vial of test could be just as fake as the bottle of halo I suppose.

I appreciate your opinions on it - I'm thinking long run and want to start small and see this as an easier route than a long ester T, not to mention not ready for all the pinning of a SE Test...

 

[musclei]

A little googling tells me that Halodrol is a pro-hormone (with a brand name chosen to resemble that of Halotestin) and the Dienolone is now a steroid but used to be sold as a pro-hormone as well (again, rebranded as Tren-something because it's like Trenbolone, but for kids!).

See what we mean? You're getting yourself into murky waters with some supplements/steroids for which there's not enough evidence or information about while you could man up, pin that testosterone and good or bad, too much or too little... it's testosterone and you know what to expect of it.

It's not a question of weather it's legit or not. If you've done your research and bought from a good source (have you?) it must be legit. I've never bought any steroid that wasn't legit! The problem is that you're asking about your "cycle" in one of the most important steroid boards of the Internet and you still haven got a solid answer regarding PCT or antiestrogen or what's going on with your body because none knows what these compounds are.

 

[jeremyng25]

Halodrol and trenazone are not fake lol. Tons of guys on this board use prohormones. Bottom line is they're legal and they work. Take superdrol, its methyl masteron. Masteron is a controlled substance. Well superdrol is now illegal as well. Not everyone is willing to go the illegal route right off the bat and prohormones are definitely not for kids. I am going to use prohormones for a while with a test base for harsher compounds which you should have been doing from the beginning, but I really can't wait to get active orals and injectables. Just have to build up the courage to make the purchase and hope that I dont end up with a cop at my door telling me I'm under arrest.

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[Fishak]

Yup, their both legit. If you dont think their real then dont waste your money...

 

[stevesmi]

3 different things here guys:

1. andro is an example of a pro hormone. remember the shit mark mcgwire took? those of you older guys can remember when you could walk into a muscle shop and buy andro on the shelf.. it was expensive as shit but it was legal at that time. does it do much for you? not really.. they are nothing compared to AAS.

2. designer steroids are marketed most of the time as pro hormones .. the ones on mr supps are sold as pro hormones but they are as real as any steroid out there. the same way tomatoes are sold as vegetables when they are really fruits. i would never stack 2 of them together, they are harsh and strong and yes they have sides. some are legal, some are illegal.. eventually they will ban them and more will spring back up i'm sure.

3. the compounds you see on the back of muscle magazines are bullshit.. no idea what they contain but i wouldn't trust those at all. just made to sell to stupid teens. this is what some of you are thinking.

 

[LoveSnatches]

Update on how I'm feeling:
Two days off Trenazone, Got back on halo yesterday so only one day off. Sleep great last night - much better than with the Tren. I REALLY like the tren I feel like I could tell the difference (Halo was giving me pumps, Tren was cutting me up) So I'll experiment with it more later on its own or with test. I think it would be a great addition to a test C or E cycle.



And to the rest:
Yep they are definitely legit compounds - you can look at the molecular makeup and see how similiar it is to testosterone.

I don't see why you would run this with a test base for only a month. But maybe then you wouldn't run halo or trenazone for only a month.

I wanted to see how my body reacted over a month period as well rather than 8-12 weeks.

Some people talk about taking DHEA as a base for the prohormones though. I don't really see too much logic in that - Yes these can shut you down but nothing like a shot of deca. Retards recover from these all the time with absolutely no pct and cycle support - thus they tend to be a little more mild than some of the other orals. Some people run Dbol by themselves - that is definitely stronger.

 

[Leather Neck]

If your bruising that easily check your iron level, possibly find out if you anemic also something not to fuck around with

 

[Tazandy]

My advice to you is to stop your cycle and go into PCT so that you flush everything out of your system and give your body a chance to recover. As per one of Steves initial responses, your body is telling you that its not happy. After you finish PCT give it a month or so and start again, just using 1 compound. Prior to commencing post your proposed cycle up and request some feedback so modifications can be made prior to you starting, not 10 days into the cycle.

Below is an example (ITS JUST AN EXAMPLE) so that everyone can see your cycle and support supplements and give you advise on. Also add the amount of carbs and protein you are getting a day along with your current stats, experience and goals.

1-4 Halo 1 cap X times a day
1-4 N2-guard 7 caps every day
1-4 Hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 cap pm very day
1-4 Bridge 2 caps 3 times a day
4-8 Unleashed and post cycle 1 caps of each 3 times a day
4-10 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks then drop
Down to 3 am and pm for the last 2 weeks
4-8 Power chews-DAA 1 full dose every day (optional)

Another word of advise, the "pros" at the Gym will more often than not get you into trouble by giving you poor and unreliable information.