1-test vs 4-ad

[fiz]

1-test vs 1-ad

Which offers better mass gains? strength? less sides?

 

[Bigass]

$-ad made me "feel" a whole lot better: better stamina, improved mood etc. 1-Ad made me bigger but made me feel like ^%$%^

 

[fiz]

I'm shooting for mass gain...

I've narrowed it down to 1-ad and 1-test.. what do you guys think? I also want something that WON'T aromatize since I already have a little pre-existing gyno

 

[voodoo]

Well 1-Test if you are going transdermal, 1-AD for oral. 4-AD is used to make test AND aromatize for some est. It help with growth. But if you want just lean gains, drop the 4-AD.

BTW: Bill W's new product formastat <sp> will help block the est conversion. More info at molecular nutrition's site, or on this board.

More questions for ya bro:

How long of a cycle?
What have you done before?
Was the gyno for est or progest.?

 

[Bigass]

You won't notice much difference between the effects of the two. It comes down to issues of convenience. I keep some oral 1-ad as well as transdermal 1-Test around. I can't always slap a bunch of smelly 1 -test gel on my body so I will take 1-ad on those days.
Both are going to make you feel like shi# and make you moody as hell.
Also, keep in mind that transdermal 1-test has a tendency to get into your eyes regardless of how well you wash your hands or whether or not you use gloves when applying the stuff. On the other hand, 1-ad tends to upset the stomach and give you acid reflux.

 

[fiz]

More questions for ya bro:

How long of a cycle?
What have you done before?
Was the gyno for est or progest.?

Probably a 5-6 week cycle

I've used creatine, ZMA and tribex500

the gyno is from puberty.. hasn't gone away since.

 

[voodoo]

Probably a 5-6 week cycle

I've used creatine, ZMA and tribex500

the gyno is from puberty.. hasn't gone away since.

Well then, as already mentioned. Its just a question of oral or tansdermal. Also I think if you went with a home brew 1-test transdermal it might be cheaper, but off the shelf 1-AD gives the most bank for the buck.

With the gyno in mind do use something for recovery, more than ZMA. You could go ergopharm all the way and get 6-OXO, or Bill's new one - formastat I think its called

 

[curt2go]

You will acctually want to stack the 2. The only reson that you would take 1-ad is if you do not like transdermals(which would be wierd). SO that narrow it to 1-test. 2 side effects of 1-test are lethargy and limpiness. This is where the 4-ad come in. The 4-ad will combat those effect of the 1-test. To combat theose you only need about 1/2 the dose as the 1-test. eg 200mg -1test/day 100mg 4-ad/day. You will not notice any water weight or fatty gains from this amount. You will still get totally lean gains. Ifit is pure bulk you are lookin gfor then just double the aount of 4-ad to the amount of 1-test. eg 200mg 1-test/day and 400mg 4-ad/day... SO really they are very best pu together not taken separately.... Hope that helps.. talk to ya...

 

[voodoo]

Curt2go is a good guy (who can't use the return key) and will not plug bdcnutrition.com as he has/had a working arangement with them. Good source if you are unclear about doing a homebrew. See curt now you don't have to feel cheesy.

Keep the 4-ad low at first as it will help with gains, the little bit of est. should not be a problem at all, its supposed to be there.

<<oral v. transdemal fignt>>
The advantage of 1-AD is its easy and just as effective as 1-Test (generally). That is not to say its the same as 1-test/4-ad, but most people who have done 1-AD only and ONE only have reported very close results.
<<end fight>>

Also get your recovery supps before you start, if you start to see a problem - add them to the stack as they will block the est. and you should be able to finish safe and bigger

 

[fiz]

I've decided to leave out 4-ad even though I want to get bigger.. i'm just gonna do 1-ad because I already have gyno (a little) and I'm still young.. can't risk making it worse