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[mikelong23]

1-AD has anyone used this product, I have just finished my 2nd cycle 2 weeks ago, and was looking for something besides some gear to help me keep my weight up, does anyone know how good it is?

 

[Suspension]

1-AD will shut you down just like the real stuff. I would take some time off before messing with that.

 

[mvmaxx]

If you just got off a cycle then I wouldn't touch 1-AD. Like Suspension said it will shut you down...HARD. You need to worry about getting your natural test back up. Keep the cals up and keep liftin strong. Don't touch the 1-AD.

 

[natural-mike]

To me..by saying that 1-ad will shut you down implies that it works. Yet whenever questioned if pro-hormones are worth anything they are always shot down on this board and looked upon as a waste of money. If they don't work and they are a waste....How will they shut you down? I'm just asking so no offense here.

Just seems the consensus is pro-hormones do not work -AT ALL

Any responses?

Mike

 

[Zyglamail]

I dont think its a matter of weather it works or not but a question of how well. The fact is that these prohormones that do work require a hell of a lot more than advertised. As is, even taking the recommended dose, they are expensive and if you double or triple the dose a killer AAS cycle can be done for less money.

Having said that, HPTA suppression is also a matter of how much, anything that work will affect HPTA how well it works and how much is taken will affect to what degree.

I for one feel prohormones are not properly advertised. People are not told they need much more than the recommended dose to get good results. They are also not told that it causes the same, if not worse sides, than AAS and because its OTC most people foolishly believe since its OTC it wont have any (or limted) negative effects.

 

[natural-mike]

Good answer.

"Rome salutes you"

Personally I have a friend who crushes and snorts prohormones before his workouts, and well he claims they work, what that does to his sinuses is another can of worms.

Later,
Mike

 

[supertech69]

I dont think its a matter of weather it works or not but a question of how well. The fact is that these prohormones that do work require a hell of a lot more than advertised. As is, even taking the recommended dose, they are expensive and if you double or triple the dose a killer AAS cycle can be done for less money.

Having said that, HPTA suppression is also a matter of how much, anything that work will affect HPTA how well it works and how much is taken will affect to what degree.

I for one feel prohormones are not properly advertised. People are not told they need much more than the recommended dose to get good results. They are also not told that it causes the same, if not worse sides, than AAS and because its OTC most people foolishly believe since its OTC it wont have any (or limted) negative effects.

I agree! I've used the Pinnacle poppers & was taking like 3or4 times the recommended dose to feel anything, it did work & I did get stronger but, I was wasting a hell of a lot of money on it. It was when I was working up the nerve & means to get AS. If I'm not mistaken, it claims to boost your blood levels by 90% even so, if it does boost it, that's still nowhere near what most people use in AS. When I came off of them, I got slightly weaker & slightly smaller. I've spoke to a guy that thinks he got gyno from them. He hasn't ever used anything other than prohormones. If you're going to take the health risks, you might as well go the less expensive & sure result having route. Just use Clomid & keep your diet on track & you'll be fine. People lose a lot when they ge lazy & drop the discipline when the cycle is done. The more you keep, the better the next cycle will be!

 

[VANIAN]

1-test works

 

[muslhead]

Mike -
I have tried every single "natural" test booster known to man (including the 1-AD). I can say without a doubt, from my personal experience, that this is the only one that works. Does it work well? Depends upon what you are comparing it to. As well as gear? NFW! But it is better than nothing (barely) and better than the other competitive products out there. If you are just coming off a real cycle you will probably not notice any advantage (other than a smaller wallet) since its effects are small.

As mentioned in the other responses, I would avoid this stuff and clean out your system and get ready for your next "real" cycle.
There is no reason for a gear user to use these products.
If you were to never use gear again and were to go the natural route then I would suggest you add it to your supplement regimine after 4-6 months after you have been off the gear.
MH

 

[natural-mike]

No no , bro I'm clean , never done a cycle, I posted my question to the board about doing a cycle of something very mild and weak, and injections were out of the question.

99% told me to go with a VAR only cycle. To be honest with you guys I'm just petrified to start. I'm an animal in the GYM and I worked naturally to go from 180 to 225 in 6 years. That plus I toyed with Powerlifting so my strength level is go, I always go dumb heavy, I'm just petrified to start a VAR cycle...some key concerns..

1) Test Levels shut down after cycle

2) Gyno, I feel I am very very prone

3) Acne, I also feel I am very very prone

4) Live damage, blood pressure problems, etc.

I am scared sh*t of all that, thats why I am toying with everything else, like pro-hormones etc. but somehow I thin they are crap.

I mean lets face it, anavar is not cheap...but if I went the Pro-Hormone route I would have to take a lot more than the recommended dose and that can get expensive maybe equally as expensive as a VAR cycle. And who is to say pro-hormones work.

I feel like I am too chicken shit to do it, and in my dumb mind I figure Pro-hormones must be safe since they are OVER THE COUNTER.

I'm sure many of you have had this feeling before.

 

[supertech69]

Congrats on the natural gains bro, that's pretty good. If it scares you that bad, I would leave it alone & stay natural, you seem to be doing fine but, if you want the big gains, you've gotta take the plunge. A lot of people are afraid of the injections but, once you realize the safety of them, they're really not that bad. They are much less damaging than oral AS & I've heard that ProHormones damage your liver as well. I'm not really sure about that but, I do know that you probably wouldn't spend any less money by going with the prohormones. If you're gonna do it, then I say go with the Var & take some ALA w/it that will protect your liver & boost your gains as well as clear your complexion & a few other things. Good luck in your decision.

 

[natural-mike]

Thanks bro, I guess I'm looking to be cradled like a baby by people ont his board letting me know how safe it is.

I know I will need Clomid for after the cycle and

what about to protect from GYNO will Clomid take care of that also?

I cant inject because of my wife..(long story) and I most definately CANNOT have mu testicles shrink or lose sex drive or I'ma dead man with my wife.

 

[mvmaxx]

To me..by saying that 1-ad will shut you down implies that it works. Yet whenever questioned if pro-hormones are worth anything they are always shot down on this board and looked upon as a waste of money. If they don't work and they are a waste....How will they shut you down? I'm just asking so no offense here.

Just seems the consensus is pro-hormones do not work -AT ALL

Any responses?

Mike

I hear those claims on this board all the time as well. I think many of us tried andro and nor-andro and didn't get anything out of it but an empty wallet. So now a large percentage of that group assumes that ALL prohormones suck.

My workout partner and I both tried 1-AD and we both gained around 15lbs of it. I gained exactly 18lbs but some of that was water. Unfortunately I got VERY sick about three weeks after (not related to 1-AD - the flu was going around at work) and I lost about 70% of my gains. Luckily they came back fairly fast. My workout partner lost a few water lbs but actually maintained all of his strength and size. I highly recommend it but I'd take the same precautions with it as you would with real gear (ie take clomid 3 weeks post cycle)

 

[mvmaxx]

BTW - There's a ton of info on the supps board about this. Patrick Arnold (pa1ad) often contributes (the inventor of andro, nor-andro and 1-AD) - always super knowledgeable posts.

 

[supertech69]

I would have some anti-E's on hand just in case. I'm not sure which one for Var but, I think Nolvadex will work with it. You may not even need it.

 

[pa1ad]

I dont think its a matter of weather it works or not but a question of how well. The fact is that these prohormones that do work require a hell of a lot more than advertised. As is, even taking the recommended dose, they are expensive and if you double or triple the dose a killer AAS cycle can be done for less money.

Having said that, HPTA suppression is also a matter of how much, anything that work will affect HPTA how well it works and how much is taken will affect to what degree.

I for one feel prohormones are not properly advertised. People are not told they need much more than the recommended dose to get good results. They are also not told that it causes the same, if not worse sides, than AAS and because its OTC most people foolishly believe since its OTC it wont have any (or limted) negative effects.

The original label of 1-AD said to take 300 to 900mg a day. I actually had to reduce the recommended amount on the label since then, because 900mg is too much for many people. So your argument is irrelevant - at least in the case of 1-AD.

Furthermore, do you have any idea what the "recommended dosage" for winstrol is? Or for anavar? Its in the PDR

 

[natural-mike]

Whats pa1ad PDR?

Also couple of quick questions pa1ad

Do you think anti estrogens are necessary for over the counter pro=hormones

What do you think about crushing them up and snorting them?

How can you make them into a nasal spray ?

Dumb questions I know..but perhaps you have smart answers

Mike