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1-AD and side effects

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omanaman

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I have been reading a lot of hype on this site about 1-AD. I was considering trying the supplement, but after hearing about the side effects, I figured i'd have to be stupid to put that shit in my body.

heres the list:

* hair loss (wtf!)
* chronic gas
* diarrhea (in urination)
* stomach pains
* fatiqued/lethargic
* headache

It amazes me how people will jeopardize their health in order to put on a few pounds of muscle, most of which will be lost soon after.

Pro-Hormones are bullshit and not worth the $. Stick to the fundamentals: intense workout & healthy diet
 
I am in my 8th week of 1-AD and i cannot confirm any of the stuff you mentioned

"hair loss (wtf!)" - No, not even a little bit, zero hairloss
"chronic gas" - No, it's the first time I hear about this
"diarrhea (in urination)" - I don't know what that is, but no. Just a light iritation when urinating
"stomach pains" - No, not at all
"fatiqued/lethargic" - Hell no, it actually made me more agressive, more charged.
"headache" - I get headaches from individuals that that make general statements (like "all ph are shit") without having even basic knowledge about the subject.

You know the number one piece of advice given to writers: "write about what you know". I bet it could work with posts too ;-)
 
You forgot to add painful urination.


:)

In defense of trying supplements I must say that in the past I have tried many different brands/ types of prohormones without ANY severe side effects (also without any noticable strength gains). But I would certainly agree that 1-AD most definitely has lots of nasty side effects.

Tony

:cool:
 
No Tony, I did mention the irritation while urinating.
I know about your problem, I read your posts on the subject and I have to admit it sounds scary, but you seem to be more like the exception to the rule; your "pain" is just a slight discomfort for me. There was another guy complaining about severe stomach problems... I sympathize with both of you, but me, and A LOT of other guys, can take this stuff without any complications and with great results.
 
norr - actually my post was to omanaman's original post that did not contain meintion of "painful urination".

But no biggie.

:)
 
tony123 said:
norr - actually my post was to omanaman's original post that did not contain meintion of "painful urination".

But no biggie.

:)
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Sorry about that, my bad
 
Omanoman.....You have the perfect name for a 1AD user.

When you stand over the urinal to pee you will be sayin....
O man..O man...O man...O man...O man

Actually the reason for my post was to address the Hair loss issue.

It really only affects people that have a history ofmale pattern baldness on their mothers side. If you dont have this history you should not worry about it.
 
norr said:
I am in my 8th week of 1-AD and i cannot confirm any of the stuff you mentioned

"hair loss (wtf!)" - No, not even a little bit, zero hairloss
"chronic gas" - No, it's the first time I hear about this
"diarrhea (in urination)" - I don't know what that is, but no. Just a light iritation when urinating
"stomach pains" - No, not at all
"fatiqued/lethargic" - Hell no, it actually made me more agressive, more charged.
"headache" - I get headaches from individuals that that make general statements (like "all ph are shit") without having even basic knowledge about the subject.

You know the number one piece of advice given to writers: "write about what you know". I bet it could work with posts too ;-)
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Agreed. I am in my second week and cannot attest to any of these. The first couple of days it burned a little while urinating, but nothing else. And I have taken w/o food. I like the stuff....
 
I've posted about both positive effects and side effects of 1-AD in the past.

Now that I'm completing my 2nd cycle, I'll comment on the sides.

Hairloss (none that I can tell)
Gas (very little now, some gas during first week)
diarrhea (none)
painful urination (none)
stomach pains (none, but some upset if not taken with full meal)
fatigued (some, yes)
headache (none)
acne (yes, some on shoulders and arms)
tired eyes (yes, and slight redness, slight allergy type reaction)

The benefits (25 lbs in 2 cycles) and amazing strength increase are EASILY worth putting up with these slight effects.
 
Hey SilentSurfer, I'm planning on buying 1-AD in a week or so. I was wondering if you can post your cycles and what other if any supps you were using.

thanks in advance
 
I've heard some of this talk about side effects and after having finished a cycle several weeks ago, I can say I didn't experience any side-effects. Right after Thanksgiving I'm going to start my next cycle with higher doseages, 3 per meal, 3x a day. I'll see if any side-effects occur at that high of a dose. Frankly, I think you can see lots of warnings about possible side-effects from things like aspirin all the way to supplements and needed prescriptions for health problems. BOTTOM LINE IS: Their only mentioned as POSSIBLE side-effects, meaning you may suffer 1 or more of the symptoms or maybe you'll be one of those who experiences nothing(which ussualy is the case). You shouldn't let those warnings get you all flustered, that's why when you start using a new product you take the minimum dose first and see how things go.
 
Big Arnold said:
I've heard some of this talk about side effects and after having finished a cycle several weeks ago, I can say I didn't experience any side-effects. Right after Thanksgiving I'm going to start my next cycle with higher doseages, 3 per meal, 3x a day. I'll see if any side-effects occur at that high of a dose. Frankly, I think you can see lots of warnings about possible side-effects from things like aspirin all the way to supplements and needed prescriptions for health problems. BOTTOM LINE IS: Their only mentioned as POSSIBLE side-effects, meaning you may suffer 1 or more of the symptoms or maybe you'll be one of those who experiences nothing(which ussualy is the case). You shouldn't let those warnings get you all flustered, that's why when you start using a new product you take the minimum dose first and see how things go.
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Big Arnold Dude,

Your post made... WAY TO MUCH SENSE!

Thanks for stating reality

JOS
 
CheesePuss: Here you go:

Cycle 1: 5 weeks

1-AD: 1 cap 3x per day with meals
ZMA: 2 caps, 1x per day before bed time, as previously, no change
creatine: same 5g per day I'd been doing, no change
Diet: 2500 to 3000 calories per day, only about 100 gm protein/day
Results: Gained 15 lbs, 165 to 180
Fat: little as measured with caliper


Cycle 2: 6 weeks (now in week 5)

1-AD: 2 caps 3x per day with meals
ZMA: 2 caps, 1x per day before bed
creatine: same 5g/day
Diet: a lot more reckless this time, burgers/pizza/icecream about 3000 to 3400 calories per day
Results: Up 10 lbs by week 4, have now grown out of all my shirts and jackets.
Fat: gained more this time, plus 2mm on lovehandle pinch
 
Hairloss (hope not, only 18)
Gas (very little)
diarrhea (yes, for 1st 2 days, no just loose)
painful urination (none)
stomach pains (a little, feel full)
fatigued (out of it, a little tired)
headache (yes, tongiht for the first time, and it's bad, i hope it's no the 1-ad becasue i bought 2 bottles)
acne (yes, some on shoulders and upper back)
tired eyes (yes, and slight redness, slight allergy type reaction)

I am on my 3rd day and i weighted myself in at 140. Yes, there are side effects. If i gain even 10 lbs i will be happy and they will be worth it. Oh yea, silver... if you gained 25 lbs you are a genetic freak. Good for you.

PS: I have noticed that most of the people who are in favor of 1-ad have less than 15 posts and registered recently. I feel that it is a damn same if these people are advertising a product and making outrageous claims. I just bought 2 bottles of 1-ad and 1 bottle of andro-spray. It cost me about 150 with the tribex at the end. I really hope i'm not enduring these side effects fo nothing. If i don't gain any weight off this stack i will make it well known throughout the board that 1-ad is bullshit. If i gain at least 5 lbs of muscle from this cycle, not of water weight, not of fat, not wiehgt that will leave me the second i get off, that i will make it well known throughout the board that 2-ad is a good product. Lets just hope it lives up to it's claim
 
Hey bro, yeah, a lot of people who have made the claims have only a few posts. I am one of the few. Anyway, my point.... So what? Posts are no indication of one's knowledge or results. I do however agree that they may be at least a little measure of one's credibility. It shows they have stuck with this place for a while, which means they are probably serious about weightlifting. And yes, I also believe it would be a shame if someone came on just to make outrageous claims in order to sell a product. However, I don't think this has happened at all. I know I certainly haven't come on for the purpose of promoting a product. However, since so many people are asking about it, I feel it may be of some help to them if I at least share my results. I will admit however, that I am endo-mesomorphic in build, so someone like me may have better results than someone who has a very ectomorphic build. I'll be supprised if you don't absolutely love the stuff though. There will undoubtably be some minor side effects at the very LEAST however, so I hope you don't let those effects become your deciding factor on the worth of such a product. We all know that the reason for taking such a product is GAIN. So lets not focus too much on the side effects, and focus more on what was actually gained. It is however important to weigh everything. Do gains outweigh side effects.... In my case, yes, by far! Good luck with your 1-AD cycle! :)
 
I'm two weeks into 1-ad at 600 mg/day and have had no sides whatsoever. Just thought I'd add my experience. later
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Go figure, I am 4 weeks into test/eq/tren cycle and I have no side effects either.... unless you count adding 13lbs of solid mass and 60lbs to my workout squat weight a side effect :)
 
To all you guys that have used the product 1-AD and have gotten results, has anyone lost any weight/gains/muscle mass once you have stopped using 1-AD for any amount of time, and did you still retain the same strength.
 
I had no side effects and I paired 1-ad and 4-ad. I made sure to drink a gallon of water a day. Never had a problem with urinating.

Only side I had was sweating at night, but that may have been due to my increased calorie intake because I was bulking.
 
I'm in my second week of 900mg per day. This is my third time using 1-AD and i've never noticed side effects, until now, yet this is the first time i've gone past 600mg per day.

Since I started 3 X 3 times a day, i've noticed that I constantly have the feeling that I have to pee. I'll go and then go sit down and a minute later, it feels like I haven't quite finished.

It would make sense that there would be an effect on the prostate, since the guys I know who are on juice say that they load up on prostate supplements.

Anyone with similar issues?
 
I did two cycles, one that maxed out on 600 mgs/day, and one that maxed on 900. Only side effect I noticed was insomnia. Why I continued to take it before is a mystery. I did notice a strength increase and and incredible pumps. However I think next time I will be using real gear- I expect to get more for the money in the long run.
 
Alright first check my stats.

Now

I have done a cycle of 1AD and I gained about 12 pounds in 2 weeks, I kept most of the gains. Very few sides. Mostly fatigue. And appetite increase.

I have moved on to Super One plus (transdermal 1test and 4AD) and it's insane. Lots of aggression, strength gains. Sides: appetite again, some anxiety.

I like to be on the right side of the law where possible so Phs give me that. They work, hands down.
 
Lumberg,

I am thinking about doing some of transdermals myself, and have some questions.

How do you know how much to use? I understand the squirt thing with spray-on products, but I understand this is a gel. Does it spray?

How big an area do you use it on?

It's claimed that transdermals are 3X more effective than orals (bypass the liver). So if you take 900 mg of 1-AD, you only need 300 mg transdermal. Is this true in your opinion?

Thanks
 
Shark01 said:
Lumberg,

I am thinking about doing some transdermals myself, and have some questions.

How do you know how much to use? I understand the squirt thing with spray-on products, but I understand this is a gel. Does it spray?

How big an area do you use it on?

It's claimed that transdermals are 3X more effective than orals (bypass the liver). So if you take 900 mg of 1-AD, you only need 300 mg transdermal. Is this true in your opinion?

Thanks
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Shark,

it comes in a pump dispenser like lotion or liquid soap. On the back it has dosing guidelines as far as squirts per day. It details the mls per pump and everything.

The thing is the labellign is the regular one plus but it's super one plus. With PHs you usually exceed the label recommendations but with this it was way too much. I was gettign anxiety attacks from it.

ANyways I would start out with 3 pumps 3x/day.

As far as how big of an area, my philosophy is that you want to spread it out as much as possible. I sould say you could fit 2 pumps on your chest/abs, 2 pumps each on yoru arms, etc. Just rotate and you have to shave too.
 
My biggest side effect is an incredible ITCH in my hairy areas! No rash is visible until I scratch one up. This is my first cycle and I had noticed no bad side effects for the first couple of weeks (light dose just 100mg 2X a day). No lethargy etc. No problem peeing. But all of the sudden my palms started itching and itching. Then behind my ears... then my chest and beard etc... I had no idea what was going on. I did a search on google for "ithcy palms" and got a hit for 1-AD allergic reaction (another thread on this site). Now I wonder the wisdom of messing with this stuff at all. My itch is INTENSE and I just can't seem to stop scratching even though I stopped taking 1-AD days ago. I think it is related to the summer heat. I know some drugs are photosensitive. IDEAS?
 
gotta start somewhere... I never felt a need to post before. Just wondering how many other people have had allergic reactions to 1-AD and if it could be related to alot of exposure to the sun.
 
One should also be mindful of the sexual side effect's of 1-AD. I admit that I have used it in the past with great results ~7 pounds of clean mantained gains in 4 week's which for me is huge gains, at max bottle dosage.

Reducation in sexual function was a killer for me during and for some time after because I limited myself to normal legal channels for my anti-e. Everything else was mentioned simply did not happen to me. Water intake did go up for me for some reason.
 
Reduction? I was a horny bastard on it. Probably because I stacked with 4-ad, but I had wood all the time
 
Lumberg,
Another question comparing 1-AD and transdermal 1-Test:

The guy selling the 1-T claims it is 3X more effective than 1-AD (ie 200mg transdermal 1-T = 600 mg 1-AD). Is that right in your opinion, or is the difference closer to 2X?

Thanks
 
Shark01 said:
Lumberg,
Another question comparing 1-AD and transdermal 1-Test:

The guy selling the 1-T claims it is 3X more effective than 1-AD (ie 200mg transdermal 1-T = 600 mg 1-AD). Is that right in your opinion, or is the difference closer to 2X?

Thanks
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Actually a guy named Par Deus is who I consider the expert on this. He is the brains behind Avant Labs and used to post on here. Ulter and macro pretty much chased him away because he makes products that compete with Yohimburn. (Personally I like his Lipoderm-Y better but don't tell macro I told u that!)

I remember working up a cost-effectiveness chart and the transdermal was definitely a better value. But I can't remember what the exact ration was.

Anyways check out Avantlabs.com there is more knowledge than a mere mortal can absorb. Browse the forums, read the articles and you'll be set.

Note that when I did my analysis, the transdermal came in really close to the oral. It was slightly more expensive but had the added benefit of slower absorption so less dosing required. This was for 1-AD vs. straight 1-test.

With the one+, the transdermal became WAY more cost effective. I think because the main cost of the product is in the formulation of the carrier fluid and not the active ingredients themselves. Thus adding a few grams of 4-AD powder doesn't increase the price much.
 
Thanks Lumberg,
I guess what I'm trying to ascertain is the product effectiveness ratio outside of cost. I'm trying to layout a few cycles in advance so I can stock up before the ban.

So does 200 mg transdermal FEEL (or give the same benefit) as 600 mg 1-AD? This way I'll know how many grams I need to buy, and how much gel (or use a homebrew) to get (I plan on mixing it myself in the future.
 
I have never really compared the dosages and how they "feel"

I do know that 4 squirts of Super One Plus, 3 times a day, will make you blow up like the heidelberg.
 
Zyglamail said:
Go figure, I am 4 weeks into test/eq/tren cycle and I have no side effects either.... unless you count adding 13lbs of solid mass and 60lbs to my workout squat weight a side effect :)
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Thats what iam talking about!!! go for the real not ph!

and about the sides of 1-ad, its going to effect everyone diffrent!
it might hurt my stomach but you might be on it and cant feel nothing!!! thats the way everything is.

-matt

oya, Zyglamail - congrats on the gains so far
 
It is apparent that 1-AD affects us all in many different ways. I'll share with you all my experiences thus far.

I'm currently half way through my second cycle of 1-AD at 600MG per day stacked with 4-AD at 600MG per day for 6 weeks. My first cycle was identical and I did it about 4 months back. I use Ergopharm's 1-AD and Higher Power's 4-AD.

On my first cycle 4 months ago, I gained a total of 35lbs and gained tremendous strength. Sometimes I wonder if I'm a freak or something because my body really seemed to react to this stuff in a ferocious way. My bench alone went from a 265 max to 330 which I got for 2 reps in my 5th week. I had done Anadrol years ago in college and it really reminded me of that stuff. You don't really notice anything for the first 2 weeks and then its like a light switch goes off and you have this strength like never before. Everything in the gym just felt lighter and I had so many friends ask if I was juicing.

When that first cycle ended, I went through 2 bottles of 6oxo. I kept a lot of my strength but lost 10lbs which I now really think was just water bloat.

As for sides, here is what I experienced:

1)Messed up sleep patterns. I tossed and turned and my sleep was broken up and just plain horrible. Somehow I didn't let this stop me and I continued on my cycle until it was done.

2)Complete shutdown of my sexual drive. My wife got all upset and thought something was wrong. Women no longer interested me at all. Anything sexually related did absolutely nothing to me. This is the side that affected me the strongest. I know alot of you didn't really have your sexdrive affected so count yourself lucky.

3)Severe Bloat. I haven't really heard anyone else mention this hardly but 1-AD had me looking like a blood engorged tick. I noticed my breathing was heavier, I began snoring for the first time ever in my life (my Wife REALLY wanted to kill me), and I had a hard time bending over just to tie my shoes. Just walking short distances had my calves burning fire so bad I would have to take short breaks in order to continue. This is happening again in a major way as I'm now in my 2nd cycle. I believe this is do to the excessive bloat and fast weight gain.

4)Burning eyes. Its just like another member here mentioned. You can feel this burning feeling in your eyes kind of like they are irritated at something. I wear contacts and this is rather uncomfortable.

5)Severe Sweating and body uncontrollably Hot. This is another thing too I haven't really heard anyone else mention that much. I sweat profusely, even just sitting in a chair doing nothing. This helps contribute to the messed up sleeping patterns because I would have our room as cold as a freezer with my wife under 5 layers of blankets to keep warm and I would be laying their naked sweating like a hog in heat. Its like my core temperature would just not cool off no matter how cold it got. For relief, I would just stick my head in the freezer for a while.

That pretty much sums up all the sides I got during my first cycle and am getting once again now in the 4th week of my 2nd cycle. I never had any sides dealing with hair loss or urination in anyway. I guess what affects some doesn't do anything to another.

So was it worth it all? Well yes in my opinion because I'm midway through my 2nd cycle. All the sides mentioned above I'm going through once again. I'm dealing with it much better this time because I knew what to expect. Taking a Tylenol PM just before bed has really helped with the sleeping patterns.

In conclusion, I must say 1-AD is a very effective supplement despite what I experienced. I gained size and strength beyond anything I could have hoped for using something over the counter. When I started all this, I weighed just over 195 pounds. I'm now at 231 (I'm 6'2"). I've gained about 10 pounds back from my 2nd cycle because I leveled off at 220 after completing my first cycle 4 months ago.

I don't believe I will ever do a 3rd cycle of 1-AD. Its quite expensive and besides I've decided to take the next step and use AS for my next cycle.

I hope what I have written has informative to someone considering 1-AD.
 
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Snarling Force

The water bloat is from the 4AD. Don't mix up the two supplements. You can't lay all the side effects on 1AD.

1AD dries you up big time. The 4AD converts to test which converts to E. THe only thing 1test and convert to is DHT.
 
Lumberg said:
Snarling Force

The water bloat is from the 4AD. Don't mix up the two supplements. You can't lay all the side effects on 1AD.

1AD dries you up big time. The 4AD converts to test which converts to E. THe only thing 1test and convert to is DHT.
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I hadn't even thought of that. I guess I never really gave much thought to the 4-AD since the 1-AD was the main thing I was taking and that everyone talks about. I got the idea of stacking them from an article I read. I thought stacking these 2 was quite a popular thing to do? A bad idea?
 
IMO Stacking them is a great thing to do. The Estrogen keeps your joints supple and is slightly synergistic with the anabolics.

Also it's supposed to keep your sex drive up so I don't know what happened there.

The caveat is the bloating and all the estrogen side effects.

I recently did a short cycle to help recover from an injury and I even added a little bit of androstenedione for a little extra estrogen. I know that sounds weird but my ligaments and tendons really needed it and it worked out well.
 
So we are in agreements that it raises DHT levels and can cause hairloss? So what are the anabolic benefits on the physique?
 
Well I was very concerned about hairloss when taking it but I have this freckel right near my hairline so I could watch it exactly and I never had even the hint of extra hairs falling out around there so YMMV. I think that warning is a catch-all.

Anabolic effects are just increased muscle size and strength with zero estrogen.
 
thanks.. who is the best supplier of this and also what about the ones with a blend of different things like 4 andro or 5 andro.. etc., what are your thoughts on that?
 
For oral administration 1 AD by ergopharm is the way to go.

For transdermal, ONE by Avantlabs is the way to go.

If you want to stack go for the One+ which had 4 AD. I had a lot of bloating on that one. I think next time I might decrease the dosage of the One+ and substitute some oral 1 AD for it.
 
I have not really taken the time to read all the replies, but I will say something that applies generally and should be taken as good advice.

Every human body is different, and will react different to foreign substances ESPECIALLY prohormones. That being said, while some people may have great success with 1-AD, or any other PH for that matter, do not expect the same results for yourself. Just because Joe Blow lost all his hair, his nuts fell off, and his wife divorced him because of it doesn't mean thats going to happen to you. And just because Jim Blow grew 15 lbs, bench went up 100 lbs, and he fucks like a rabbit doesn't mean you'll be doing the same either.


Just thought i'd throw that in. Cheers gentlemen....


Josh
 
I'm up in the air with 1-ad and 1-t caps

took ergopharm 1ad=good results, little bit of bloating
took molecular nutrition 1-t ethergels= good results less bloating

stacked both with andro spray

I have heard good things about 1-tu from nutrex as well

thinking of doing a fall/winter bulk and am trying to decide what to take, especially with VPX 1-test cyp and 4-test cyp out now

any other input?

oh yeah, my old screen name on here was javetoss, so I am not a total "newbie"
 
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