Fulmonte, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Prohormones are not a joke, THEY WORK. Andrstenedione does not work, but 4-AD does, 1,4AD does, 19NorDIOL does, 5AA does, 1AD DOES. How can you come here and tell peoplewho have used PH;s and got real results that they dont work...