Tren Ace / Test P - Guidance needed

[Xtacy187]

Need thoughts on Test(Prop)/Tren(Ace) Cycle & PCT
I've been reading this and many other steroid forums for quite a while but have never actively participated previously so let me take this opportunity to thank you all for all the knowledge and experience that you've put the effort into posting on this forum and elsewhere.

I am planning on cycling test-p, tren-a, winny and anavar starting december and would like your opinions and thoughts on the cycle I planned along with its Inra and Post Cycle Therapy plans.

My stats are:

28 Years old (Been lifting seriously for about two and a half years)
Height 5' 11"

185 Pounds (Hard Gainer, I swear I tried.. Out of all the people I know I eat the most!)

Previous Cycles (8 Weeks Deca @ 500mg/Week / Test P 675mg/Week)
Great Gains out of that cycle but recovery took long because I got a different opinion as to how I should've carried my PCT out. I started with Clomid/Nolvadex/Proviron and a 5000iu shot of HCG on the first day of PCT. That lasted for about a week but I was told that the Proviron wasn't helping (i.e. shutting me down) and I was advised to stop my PCT for 5 days and then start it all over again using Arimidex 1mg/Day for 30 days.

I would prefer a much faster recovery with the cycle I intend to start in December in order to maintain as much gains as possible and this is why I'm posting this thread.

I lift intensly 4 days a week (Sat/Sun/Tues/Thu) and follow that up with 25-30min of cardio

Proposed Cycle

Cycle
Days 1-60 70mg Test-Prop ED
Days 1-60 50mg Tren-Ace ED
Days 36-60 40mg Anavar ED
Days 36-67 75mg Winstrol (Oral) ED

Intra Cycle Therapy
0.5 Adex EOD days 1-60
500iu HCG Days 44-65 E3D (i.e days 44, 47, 50, 53, 56, 59, 62, 65)

Post Cycle Therapy (Starts on day 68)
1 Week HCG 1000iu EOD
3 Weeks of Clomid starting at 300mg first day then 100mg for 10 days and then 50mg for 10 days
3 Weeks of Nolvadex start at 40mg first week then 20mg for 2 weeks

BTW, I already inject myself with 4iu/day of HGH 5 or 6 days a week

I have access to proviron / tribulus / dostinex (cabergoline) but no idea as to where those would fit best or if they would add any benefit to begin with.

Your opinions and thoughts will be very much apprecaited especially on the intra and post-cycle PCT plan.

Thanks!

 

[thelocal]

no need to use var and winstrol at same time escp since thier both orals,

 

[moya]

post your diet bro...

 

[Xtacy187]

Breakfast 5 to 8 boiled egg whites + 100 to 150 grams of oat cereal w/skimmed milk + banana + 2 scoops of whey protein
Mid-day snack 100grams of oat cereal w/skimmed milk
Lunch - high protein meal (e.g footlong tuna subway sandwich on brown bread or 2 chicken breasts)
1 hour pre workout - 2 scoops of casein protein + banana
Post workout - mrp protein shake (40g protein) mixed with a scoop of whey (skimmed milk) + 5g glutamine
Post cardio - 3 sweet potatoes + 5 to 8 boiled egg whites
Dinner - high protein no carbs meal (e.g. Grills, steak or chicken salad)
Before bed - 2 scoops of casein protein + 10g glutamine

Supplements used : multi vitamin, n.o. Preworkout drink, glutamine, BCAA powder, arginine, calcium, tribulus, omega 369 fish oil, b-complex vitamin, yohimbe, msm joint-support, 4iu hgh 5 to 6 days a week, kidney health tablets and liv-52 for liver support

I might of missed something here or there but that's basically it.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Breakfast 5 to 8 boiled egg whites + 100 to 150 grams of oat cereal w/skimmed milk + banana + 2 scoops of whey protein
Mid-day snack 100grams of oat cereal w/skimmed milk
Lunch - high protein meal (e.g footlong tuna subway sandwich on brown bread or 2 chicken breasts)
1 hour pre workout - 2 scoops of casein protein + banana
Post workout - mrp protein shake (40g protein) mixed with a scoop of whey (skimmed milk) + 5g glutamine
Post cardio - 3 sweet potatoes + 5 to 8 boiled egg whites
Dinner - high protein no carbs meal (e.g. Grills, steak or chicken salad)
Before bed - 2 scoops of casein protein + 10g glutamine

Supplements used : multi vitamin, n.o. Preworkout drink, glutamine, BCAA powder, arginine, calcium, tribulus, omega 369 fish oil, b-complex vitamin, yohimbe, msm joint-support, 4iu hgh 5 to 6 days a week, kidney health tablets and liv-52 for liver support

I might of missed something here or there but that's basically it.

What does this all equal in Carbs, Protein and Calories?

 

[Xtacy187]

What does this all equal in Carbs, Protein and Calories?

Sorry for my ignorance.. I do realize that I should calculate it but I haven't gotten to doing so.. I basically try to eat as much as I can and keep it clean at the same time.. I'm a very hard-gainer

 

[joshuaua]

that looks like a very solid diet to be honest...i wish i had the cash to spend on a cycle AND al those eggs and protein shakes.. but never run winstrol and var together..it makes no sense. var is better. and two orals at the sametime is very unnecessarily tough on your liver..especially since they're so similar a product imo.

 

[Xtacy187]

I already have the winny and var. Are you recommending I scrap the winny out? Would the Liv-52 be sufficient to combat any liver toxicity issues? I've revised my cycle somewhat and created a PDF file outlining it. It's posted on another forum and I can't seem to download it using my iPad.. I'll try posting a screenshot of the thing.. Your comments would be very much appreciated..

 

[Xtacy187]

.. Sometimes you just have to throw your iPad away and just use your laptop I guess..!

Anyway, attached is my revised cycle.. Comments and suggestions are appreciated..!

 

[GrownUp]

Is this your second cycle??