Sust for HRT

[thelion2005]

I have done hrt and many, many cycles. The most effective testo I found was farmak test p. Twice a week for a cycle with some dbol and npp ... King Kong time. Once a week at 150 mg and a nice hrt.

Can't find this now, but plenty of pharm grade sust. Did one vial and feel really great. Mellow and strong with no sides.

Going to do this every 3 1/2 days starting next week and ease into a nice cycle.

IMO ... sust is great.

 

[caribeman]

Lion, I agree. Even at a low dose Sus is about the best. I do not know what your HRT is but I am sure it will complement the Sust very well. I really felt it around the 7th shot (again, it was at a low dose 2x per week).

 

[ynotfish]

I have done hrt and many, many cycles. The most effective testo I found was farmak test p. Twice a week for a cycle with some dbol and npp ... King Kong time. Once a week at 150 mg and a nice hrt.

Can't find this now, but plenty of pharm grade sust. Did one vial and feel really great. Mellow and strong with no sides.

Going to do this every 3 1/2 days starting next week and ease into a nice cycle.

IMO ... sust is great.

Must ask, since you've been on for over two months... Long story short (and have ALL my labs to quote or post), under 200 total since early 2007. Testoderm, then Androderm, then Testagel. Still under 200 with NO (.2/ .3 LH/ FSH/ Free test). 4 months on bioidentical 10% (700mg/ week) raised me to 230 ttl, with still no free, FSH, LH. SHBG normal range, as estrogens are... 8 months on the max dose made @ 20% bioidentical = 1400mgs/ week. Last test was at 276ttl, with still no "nothing". Did one month of Sus @ 300mg/ wk, biweekly shots, felt great. Off and PCT with the cream for a month, then back on @ 350mg/ week for now tenth week, dropped the cream two weeks ago (when I got these results). Bloods are fucked.
2755 ttl- range 250-1100/ 926.5 free- range 35-155.0/ 3.36% free- range 1.5-2.2. Doc freaked...

NOW check this... .2 LH- range 1.5-9.3/ .7 FSH- range 1.6-8.0. All estrogens just under double allowable, but on Clom, Nov, Formadrol XL (and just got my Aromasin and HCG I ran out of a month ago).

DHT 116- range 25-75/ DHEA 103- range 45-345. Could not test for SHBG (here).

Quit the cream as the pharmacist says don't even bother. It does not work on me in any form, so it's darts or suffer. No biggy. Losing hair now (@ 46 while my 94 year old dad has a full head), and nads are less than half size. Sex is fine, and real good, tho loads are like spit, fat burning and energy up, easier to work and work-out and dramatic DROP in my temper. Feel better than in many years. Ya, great... Next appt at Doc on the 8th, and no idea what to tell him to hook me up with. Still have about a years worth of SUS, but would like to get HCG and Arimidex prescribed. Regardless, How the hell is my total and free test so hi and none being used (LH/ FSH)? Thanx again and sorry for the book Lion...T

(and if anyone knows, how do I puff my nads back up, as I hafta HRT for life?)

 

[FunFun]

How the hell is my total and free test so hi and none being used (LH/ FSH)? Thanx again and sorry for the book Lion...T

(and if anyone knows, how do I puff my nads back up, as I hafta HRT for life?)

I'm in the same boat. I'm going 51 and my natural test production is very low and nads are small.

If you're supplementing Testosterone you'll end up with LH and FSH approaching zero as your pituitary HP-TA function will shut down. The small testicles are a result of no sperm production due to low FSH. If you're shut down there isn't much point checking the LH and FSH as they would be expected to be non-existent anyway.

 

[ynotfish]

I'm in the same boat. My going 51 and my natural test production is very low and nads are small.

If you're supplementing Testosterone you'll end up with LH and FSH approaching zero as your pituitary HP-TA function will shut down. The small testicles are a result of no sperm production due to low FSH. If you're shut down there isn't much point checking the LH and FSH as they would be expected to be non-existent anyway.

Thanx for the reply. I'm on TRT just for my HP-TA shutting completely down, crashing not only all things pituitary but Cortisol control and a bunch of 5HTP probs. All happened at once. Anyway, can LH/ FSH be made to rise using supps, drugs?? Blocking SHBG? What's the use of all the test for life if it doesn't get used?! Thanx again...

 

[FunFun]

Thanx for the reply. I'm on TRT just for my HP-TA shutting completely down, crashing not only all things pituitary but Cortisol control and a bunch of 5HTP probs. All happened at once. Anyway, can LH/ FSH be made to rise using supps, drugs?? Blocking SHBG? What's the use of all the test for life if it doesn't get used?! Thanx again...

My testosterone is being used to keep me feeling good. I didn't realise how important it was until I went on 3 1/2 months of Andriol testacaps and then (only a few days ago) switched back to enanthate injections. Like night/day. Felt like a new man. I didn't really care about LH or FSH as I don't want any more children.

I've tried 3 cycles of HCG with no increase in testicle mass whatsoever. The last one was 5000 IU in one week in divided doses of 4 per day over the week. Nothing changed at all.

I don't see how you can raise LH and FSH when the exogenous test is shutting the production of them down. Why do you concern yourself so much with LH/FSH if you've decided it's "test for life"? If you really need them back, surely you're going to have to go off test and try everything possible to get your own production back again.

Also, is there any point trying to pump up the balls if you're not going to be needing them for test and sperm production.

How old are you?

 

[ynotfish]

My testosterone is being used to keep me feeling good. I didn't realise how important it was Same as I. I realized what was going on after two years of missery, then Eugene Shippins book. until I went on 3 1/2 months of Andriol testacaps and then (only a few days ago) switched back to enanthate injections. Like night/day. Felt like a new man. As did (do) I. I didn't really care about LH or FSH as I don't want any more children.

I've tried 3 cycles of HCG with no increase in testicle mass whatsoever. The last one was 5000 IU in one week in divided doses of 4 per day over the week. Nothing changed at all. That sux, as I'm on my second bottle now. When I was on the cream, it was still working, but I had no plasma test and felt like shit...

I don't see how you can raise LH and FSH when the exogenous test is shutting the production of them down. Why do you concern yourself so much with LH/FSH if you've decided it's "test for life"? The test for life is not a decision as it is a nessecity. I don't make any anymore (for over four years). And I concern myself strictly for cosmetic and social reasons. Selfish and "off game" for my age, I know, just liked em when they were huge and worked, years ago. If you really need them back, surely you're going to have to go off test and try everything possible to get your own production back again. Tried EVERYTHING over 2.6 years, and all Docs, Endo's, HRT clinics in five states (minus the Mayo).

Also, is there any point trying to pump up the balls if you're not going to be needing them for test and sperm production. As above...

How old are you?

46.5. Family history runs into the 90's and 100's with no meds. I got FUBAR'd somehow. Can I ask what your levels are? Is hyper-androgenenic dangerous long term, excluding the prostate (as in around the 2000ng/dl ttl~ 500+ free)? Thanx again FunFun