Broke my AAS cherry with 120 mg or so of Tren Ace

[tornpie]

wow man you need to stop now. what are you doing? do you have anything else but tren? other gear, ai's pct, ect.

what are your ull stats? age, height, weight, bf %, sex?

I'm not too concerned about AI or PCT for the moment. I am on selegiline(Emsam 9mg/24hr transdermal) already, have plenty of B6 and dl-phenylalanine to cause dopamine induce prolactin inhibition at will. The endocrinologist seemed to want to wait it out before writing a script for dostinex. I can get either PCP or Endo to write for nolva. Many that I've talked to didn't use a PCT cycle, so at least for my initial first two week cycle, I want to see how it is without PCT. In fact, I am a bit more interested in the cortisol receptor properties of tren and want to witness first hand the anti-catabolic effect of post tren muscle retention.

My age is 32, height is 5'11", weight is 330, bf around 30-35%, obviously male. Have been fairly athletic most of my life. Wrestled, played football, but was more of a scholar. What actually led me to doing a tren only cycle and actually getting me to try it is the science of it. Furthermore, I think cortisol definitely played(still possibly plays) a role in my athletic and personal plateaus in my life.

 

[joe d]

no doctor would ever advise tren. it is a very toxic nasty compound. you are making a mistake and playing with fire. i suggest you stop.

 

[tornpie]

no doctor would ever advise tren. it is a very toxic nasty compound. you are making a mistake and playing with fire. i suggest you stop.

I didn't say they advised it. In fact they are very anti-all AAS. Some didn't know what they were talking about. From what I've read, tren itself is pretty safe compared to most. Little if any metabolism in the liver, the kidney thing is probably false, and its potency seems to make it so that since one gets such a major anabolic effect, the side effects can be contained. The trouble is in what is stacked with tren and the preparation of the injectable. I am highly suspicious that the BB/BA addition to tren, particularly the BA causes many of the harsh side effects of tren acetate at least. 50-100 mg/day of tren A itself over a reasonable time (say 12-16 weeks or less) period should not cause any problems. Of course I'm not including the fact that people may overtrain on tren causing ligament and tendon issues, improper nutrition and supplementation,poor training technique and other non-tren caused issues.

 

[dr.shavargo]

^ you have no clue what your doing...
only did 6 weeks of research? most on here research for months if not years before they try anything
and saying that running tren for 12-16 weeks would not cause problems is highly false
its one of the more toxic compounds to lthe liver and shouldnt be run past 8 weeks
also nolva should never be used with tren either...

you have contradicted every know rule of tren in all your post!

listen to the people here that KNOW what they are doing for your own good and well being.

 

[Only1eagle]

I will not say you need to stop since it seems you have already gotten all your tests in place and have done some research.

Tren is a great drug but it isnt a wonder drug. I have run many tren cycle alone myself and had great results.

The one thing that really bothers me is your BF%. at 30-35% BF your not even in a state of mind to do any AAS. You surely do not have your diet in check nor are you serious about your time in the gym.

Please be careful as we all look out for each other here on the boards and I think everyone here does not want to see someone hurt themselves with something they do not yet know.

 

[tornpie]

In fact, for every mg of tren I plan to use, I've probably spent at least 10 minutes of research. For every dollar I've spent on tren itself, I've spent/will spend at least $10 on supplementation and nutrition. It was to the point if I waited for everything to be perfect, it would become uneconomical, theoretical exercise. Sometimes you just gotta grab the bull by the horns and accept that life will never hand you a perfect pre-made scenario and the only way to find things out is to go for it.

I took 120mg the first IM because I am a firm believer in front loading, particularly for a two week cycle. Granted, I don't have any AAS experience, but I do have pharmacokinetic experience. I would almost say one of my golden rules to any exogenous substance administered medicinally is safest and most effective when the plasma levels are as consistent as possible. Furthermore, pragmatically speaking, since it is a 2-3 week cycle, I want as much on time as possible. That doesn't leave me much time to mess around waiting for the level that makes gains possible.

 

[dr.shavargo]

^ yes i forgot to mention that your size and BF% of 30-35% is no where near being close to even consider AAS compunds. get you diet in check first!

 

[tornpie]

I will not say you need to stop since it seems you have already gotten all your tests in place and have done some research.

Tren is a great drug but it isnt a wonder drug. I have run many tren cycle alone myself and had great results.

The one thing that really bothers me is your BF%. at 30-35% BF your not even in a state of mind to do any AAS. You surely do not have your diet in check nor are you serious about your time in the gym.

Please be careful as we all look out for each other here on the boards and I think everyone here does not want to see someone hurt themselves with something they do not yet know.

I agree about the BF. I walk at least 3 miles 3-5 a week with at least 1 mile of it being hills. Some days I walk upwards of 12. My thyroid always checks out ok and my diet isn't great but it's not obscenely out of whack right now due to economics. My lipids are usually fantastic, but due to the less than desirable diet they are merely "really good". My bp is usually 130/80. I am nearly bulletproof physiologically so far. That day may be coming to a close which is part of the personal, non-scientific reason for doing my cycle.

 

[dr.shavargo]

well it seems that your not going to listen to anyone here cause your so dead set on doing this so goodluck

 

[brandonp005]

with your weight and body fat, i would have stuck with diet and cardio rather than Tren...my opinion is your heart isn't in the best shape and the tren will not help the matter

I still wish you the best of luck and please keep a close eye on your health. Plus I wouldn't listen much to your buddies that only have experience with winny, abombs, dbol, and tbol. Notice all the orals? Dont think they know much about taking care of their bodies in my opinion.