Test Suspension Debate

[tiggerizme]

Damn it's been a bit since I been here. Anyways, lets hear some debate on Test Suspension.

I've heard the rumors of 2x a day, say 50mg per inject.

Before you pansies get your panties in a knot I'm no newbie. Been using for years, not currently on a cycle, more of putting one together. Components include:

Suspension 100mg ED
Slin ED
Prop 50mg EOD
Winny EOD opposite day of Prop
GH 4iu's ED
T4 100mcg ED
IGF-LR3 80mcg bilaterally


Never taken suspension but I want a 6 weeker and thought this looked good.

 

[ALIN]

Ideally,,,2x per day with SUSPENSION would be perfect,,,however,,once per day,,,does work extremely well.

 

[tiggerizme]

So I guess splitting it up with the GH is good? On my non-workout days I'm shooting the 100mg 1x in the a.m.

 

[QiangDa]

My very first cycle was suspension only, 150mg 2 times a week. It was super easy to get (could just buy from a veterinarian back then), and I didn't know any better...I was just told take it twice as often as oil based.
That said, I put on 30 pounds, and kept 20....no pct. Kept a lot of my strength as well.
Also, after that experience, injecting any oil base was simple and painless...even prop...maybe I built a tolerance. (actually i tried winny v a few years later, which hurt also, but stopped after the 3rd shot, because my joints hurt so much i couldnt workout anymore)
I know 2x a week just isn't enough, but my experience with it makes me wonder if 2x/day is necessary?
Then again, if I could get it now, I'd gladly try 2x/day....anyone care to donate?

 

[Singleton]

Damn it's been a bit since I been here. Anyways, lets hear some debate on Test Suspension.

I've heard the rumors of 2x a day, say 50mg per inject.

Rumors of what, the practice of itself, that it is rationally justified (that an expected outcome from it)? What are you trying to do?

Before you pansies get your panties in a knot I'm no newbie.

My pansies?

Been using for years, not currently on a cycle, more of putting one together.

Why does it matter if you have previously used steroids for more than 1 year?

Have you used, in combination, all of the other drugs you listed and want to know about adding suspension to that mix? That wouldn't make sense, though because someone with that much experience would surely have heard "test is test" before, (and would hopefully know what that means).

Components include:

That is a lot of gear to run all at once. For six weeks?

Again, for what purpose?

If you want answers based off of the imagination of strangers, then you've gotten that.

A drug-free route might be a better choice.

 

[nachomscl]

I'm doing roughly 80mg ED, and it sucks. I couldn't imagine 2x a day. I think it may work better, butt damn... every injection kills me. Well, glutes are the best of the bunch.

 

[tiggerizme]

Rumors of what, the practice of itself, that it is rationally justified (that an expected outcome from it)? What are you trying to do?


My pansies?

Why does it matter if you have previously used steroids for more than 1 year?

Have you used, in combination, all of the other drugs you listed and want to know about adding suspension to that mix? That wouldn't make sense, though because someone with that much experience would surely have heard "test is test" before, (and would hopefully know what that means).



That is a lot of gear to run all at once. For six weeks?

Again, for what purpose?

If you want answers based off of the imagination of strangers, then you've gotten that.

A drug-free route might be a better choice.

Just what I figured would happen. Another Elitefitnees Douche Bag moron. Let's start with the first idiotic thing you said dipshit. I didn't say anything about your pansies but that you ARE a pansy and not to get your PANTIES in a wad.

Rumors of the best and stable way to run suspension fuctard. What else? Like I stated later in the post I'm trying to put together a hard 6 week cycle.

Test is test yes but you're one of those inexperienced information regurgitation exploiters using words from other EXPERIENCED users. And to answer your question YES I have used all combinations of those hormones but never used suspension. PER MY POST (if you actually read it)

Before you get power hungry maybe you should read and re-read the post. I'm simply asking for the mechanics behind the rumor of running suspension 2x a day versus a single injection. Now if you decide to take a more professional approach at answering the question at hand I'll be happy to listen.

And don't insult me with your idicoracy kid.

 

[shrimp poboy]

So I guess splitting it up with the GH is good? On my non-workout days I'm shooting the 100mg 1x in the a.m.

DAMN!!Theres a name i havent seen in along time whats up bro?

 

[tiggerizme]

DAMN!!Theres a name i havent seen in along time whats up bro?

Been doing pretty good. Making a comeback. Had shoulder surgery for torn tendon and some personal issues I'll admit, but I'm making a comeback..

 

[jaybois]

I use suspension at 100mg ,2 a week, 2 hour preworkout.

 

[tiggerizme]

I use suspension at 100mg ,2 a week, 2 hour preworkout.

That's not feasable for stability. The halflife of suspension is 24hrs so catching it at the 18 hour mark is most notably the safest way to obtain all the effects with stable blood levels.

 

[Singleton]

Just what I figured would happen. Another Elitefitnees Douche Bag moron. Let's start with the first idiotic thing you said dipshit. I didn't say anything about your pansies but that you ARE a pansy and not to get your PANTIES in a wad.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Rumors of the best and stable way to run suspension fuctard. What else? Like I stated later in the post I'm trying to put together a hard 6 week cycle.

Test is test yes but you're one of those inexperienced information regurgitation exploiters using words from other EXPERIENCED users. And to answer your question YES I have used all combinations of those hormones but never used suspension. PER MY POST (if you actually read it)

The post does not say you've used all those hormones in conjunction.

Before you get power hungry maybe you should read and re-read the post. I'm simply asking for the mechanics behind the rumor of running suspension 2x a day versus a single injection.

Now if you decide to take a more professional approach at answering the question at hand I'll be happy to listen.

And don't insult me with your idicoracy kid.

I cannot help you if you won't provide any rational explanation for what you are trying to do. No reasonable person can.

Furthermore, I will not help you or anyone who insults me in the process. Who would?

I will advise you to not take steroids. Anyone who demonstrates such an irrational response as yours ought to stay far away from such drugs.

 

[joe d]

Damn it's been a bit since I been here. Anyways, lets hear some debate on Test Suspension.

I've heard the rumors of 2x a day, say 50mg per inject.

Before you pansies get your panties in a knot I'm no newbie. Been using for years, not currently on a cycle, more of putting one together. Components include:

Suspension 100mg ED
Slin ED
Prop 50mg EOD
Winny EOD opposite day of Prop
GH 4iu's ED
T4 100mcg ED
IGF-LR3 80mcg bilaterally


Never taken suspension but I want a 6 weeker and thought this looked good.

susp is the only way to go imo. i do 3 injects per day but 2 is good. i would not go less.

have you ever ran winny eod? im just curious how well it works. ive only run ed and could feal the level tapering.

 

[eClenbuterol]

With Joe I do 3x per day spread out 5 hours apart, and I have done 1x and 2x per day honestly not much of a difference from 2X compared to 3. Good luck with your cycle bro.

 

[tiggerizme]

That doesn't make any sense at all.


The post does not say you've used all those hormones in conjunction.


I cannot help you if you won't provide any rational explanation for what you are trying to do. No reasonable person can.

Furthermore, I will not help you or anyone who insults me in the process. Who would?

I will advise you to not take steroids. Anyone who demonstrates such an irrational response as yours ought to stay far away from such drugs.

Like I mentioned before I need not explain what I'm trying to do as I'm smart enough to know how to get there. Again, since your mind works so slowly here I was asking the mechanics behind the rumor of injecting Suspension 2x a day.

I think it's best you jump as far away from my thread as possible. You bring the offensive tone with your answer first and now you think I'm the one insulting? Hope you can provide some insightful information to some newbie here at EF, the experienced ones like myself will see right through your information reposting.

 

[tiggerizme]

susp is the only way to go imo. i do 3 injects per day but 2 is good. i would not go less.

have you ever ran winny eod? im just curious how well it works. ive only run ed and could feal the level tapering.

I get you and thanks for the insight, I just don't understand the WHY of injecting twice a day. Either way, yes I've run Winny EOD only when I do Prop EOD. I alternate and still get a crazy cutting agent.

On another Note. YGPM

 

[-SD-]

You bring the offensive tone with your answer first and now you think I'm the one insulting?.

Wrong. Your first post called everyone here pansies and not get our panties in a wad before anyone had a chance to say anything at all. Whatever insults given to you are deserved.

 

[tiggerizme]

Wrong. Your first post called everyone here pansies and not get our panties in a wad before anyone had a chance to say anything at all. Whatever insults given to you are deserved.

That was a joking comment; but if it caused someone to be offended I'm man enough to state that I apologize.

 

[access]

Firstly Test Suspension doesn't have a half life as such. It has no ester attached so the half life your referring to as 24 hours is not technically correct. The levels don't drop off exponentially as they do with a steroid and ester where as a specific time has elapsed the blood levels fall by half and then subsequant same time frames they fall by half again and so on. What does happen with Test Suspension is the micro-crystals in the mix delay the release of the hormone as they have a limited dissolution rate but once those crystals have dissolved the levels fall off dramatically unlike the traditional half lifes were accustomed to with oil based steroids with an ester attached.

This also means that pinning Test Suspension several times a day is completely unnecessary. Although there is no ester the crystal particles work in a manner to delay the release and the actual times until fully dissolved are dependant upon the crystal sized used but typically blood levels as a minimum will remain elevated for 24+ hours and I have read anywhere up to 3 days. This would go a long way to explaining why guys that have used and injecting at 2-3 day intervals still report excellent gains and minimal sides over the same users injecting ED or more frequently. Original Test Suspension was mixed with water and did not have the advantage of micro-crytsals and hence it was then necessary to undertake several daily injections. Times have changed though. I should point out to that this does not apply to Test Suspension in oil. Using oil as the carrier negates the micro-crystal action and essentially we return to having to do several daily injects as their is now no delayed release.

On a personal note I have used Test Suspension a couple of times but not on it's own or as a base for a stack. I have only tried using it as a pre workout supp as such to increase aggression and strength in the gym in a similar fashion to what powerlifters would do before a meet. Unfortunately I have had very limited success using in this manner and I think it's primarily due to the fact I run pretty high doses of Test Prop on my cycles anyway. Adding in the Suspsension in the fashion I did with my levels already so high left little room for any benefit.

 

[tiggerizme]

Firstly Test Suspension doesn't have a half life as such. It has no ester attached so the half life your referring to as 24 hours is not technically correct. The levels don't drop off exponentially as they do with a steroid and ester where as a specific time has elapsed the blood levels fall by half and then subsequant same time frames they fall by half again and so on. What does happen with Test Suspension is the micro-crystals in the mix delay the release of the hormone as they have a limited dissolution rate but once those crystals have dissolved the levels fall off dramatically unlike the traditional half lifes were accustomed to with oil based steroids with an ester attached.

This also means that pinning Test Suspension several times a day is completely unnecessary. Although there is no ester the crystal particles work in a manner to delay the release and the actual times until fully dissolved are dependant upon the crystal sized used but typically blood levels as a minimum will remain elevated for 24+ hours and I have read anywhere up to 3 days. This would go a long way to explaining why guys that have used and injecting at 2-3 day intervals still report excellent gains and minimal sides over the same users injecting ED or more frequently. Original Test Suspension was mixed with water and did not have the advantage of micro-crytsals and hence it was then necessary to undertake several daily injections. Times have changed though. I should point out to that this does not apply to Test Suspension in oil. Using oil as the carrier negates the micro-crystal action and essentially we return to having to do several daily injects as their is now no delayed release.

On a personal note I have used Test Suspension a couple of times but not on it's own or as a base for a stack. I have only tried using it as a pre workout supp as such to increase aggression and strength in the gym in a similar fashion to what powerlifters would do before a meet. Unfortunately I have had very limited success using in this manner and I think it's primarily due to the fact I run pretty high doses of Test Prop on my cycles anyway. Adding in the Suspsension in the fashion I did with my levels already so high left little room for any benefit.

That my friend is the mechanics of Suspension I was asking about. THANK YOU very much for explaining that. As most profiles on Suspension do not inform of the crystal release factor. With that being said I will be splitting injections of the GH, Slin and can also do so with the Suspension. I guess we'll see how well the 2x a day theory works out. I'm looking forward to being a pin cushion once again as most of my previous cycles 12-16 weekers.

 

[access]

I am in no way saying not to inject twice a day. My point was that it is really not necessary based on maintaining your blood levels but doing twice a day will elevate your levels higher so by all means if you feel more confident doing it this way then great. It's not unlike myself when running longer estered test. I still inject it 3-4 times a week more often than not. It is not necessary but I do it anyway.

 

[jaybois]

That's not feasable for stability. The halflife of suspension is 24hrs so catching it at the 18 hour mark is most notably the safest way to obtain all the effects with stable blood levels.

Running a cycle of suspension isn't feasable imo anyway, I simply use it as a pre work out bump.I'm on HRT so this method works well for me.

 

[access]

Running a cycle of suspension isn't feasable imo anyway, I simply use it as a pre work out bump.I'm on HRT so this method works well for me.

I tend to agree you jaybois for a "common" length cycle. I personally would much prefer Prop over Suspension but in OP case as he was wanting to only do 6 weeks then Suspension might be a good alternative for this particular scenario.

I can see how on HRT a Suspension shot before workout would be ideal.

 

[chazk]

its pure testosterone crystals no ester attached,
its clearance time will be the time it takes your body to breakdown the crystal release it into the bloodstream and filter it out.
Could take a day or even 2-3 days, The location of the injection is also going to matter if it has lots of blood flow pumped into it.
Most guys using suspension do the shots in the muscle that is going to be worked.
If you work out at 7am, do the shots 50mg in each bicep if you plan on doing bicep work in that excersize, doing squats ? outter glute would be a good place to shoot.when you damage muscle prosteglands are rleased that help heal and repair muscle as well as break down the steroid crystals.

Your gonna have to go with what works for you tigger, play with it a bit. I doubt your gonna see much of a difference taking a split dose everyday verses a single shot ED.

keep this in mind guys ( jason a powerlifter friend of mine to name a example ) have been popped in drug tested events for running test suspension 3 days out from a contest,
jason my friend dropped test suspension ( only thing he was on ) on Monday night and competed on a thrusday night. After the contest he was subjected to random steroid testing. His ratios were off and his lifts were all voided as well as one title he won.

So i dont think its 100% accurate to say test suspention leaves the body 100% in a certian time of days or hours,
depends on the person,where someone else could have dropped the testS on Monday and had it clear the system by thursday and been fine.not every persons body works that way

 

[chazk]

I tend to agree you jaybois for a "common" length cycle. I personally would much prefer Prop over Suspension but in OP case as he was wanting to only do 6 weeks then Suspension might be a good alternative for this particular scenario.

I can see how on HRT a Suspension shot before workout would be ideal.

remember if your on hrt at 400mg a week of testE your only getting around 300mg of actually testosterone in the body becuase around 100mg of that testE 400 was the enathenate ester attached to the steroid.

So in theory someone that shots 100mg of testS a day ( or every week ) would have to shoot around 1000 -1100mg of testosterone E to get the same dose as suspension, plus the E has to be ran 4 weeks to peak while the S peaks in just days.

So is TestS really the superior product? , its just not practical for long term use. Plus its supposed to be hard on the kidney functions being it raises blood pressure and cuases water retention. ? anyone know more about that with first hand use . I am thinking of doing a short bulk with test S in the future for a 4 week run to open a cycle.

 

[tiggerizme]

I am thinking of doing a short bulk with test S in the future for a 4 week run to open a cycle.

I've always run longer cycles, long esther products and had notable gains throughout my experience. For a monster 6 week stack I think I'm pretty lined up on what I've got listed. And on another note I may actually (still pondering) running some Masteron Ace in EOD since I have it just lying around.

 

[warlord_wrug]

SOrry for bumping a old thread but what would be the half life of test base in EO?

 

[moya]

based off of what access described... im betting that the oil based TNO is going to need to be injected more often... thus a minimum of twice a day, as opposed to a reccomended minimum of once a day for micronized suspension...
and i have ran suspension for decent ammounts of time with once a day injects and had very minimal bloating/sides that would lead me to believe my levels were greatly fluctuating...
i have never tried TNO in oil... just basing this off of what access wrote... he knows his shit too...