sumafana Newbie Cycle Help

[sumafana]

Im a newbie to the site 30 years old and have done about 6 cycles. 5-8 172lbs my diet is always extrodinary. i lost my source that used to give me help when i was on juice so maybe you guys can help. im not sure if i should start at a beginners cycle intermediate or what? some of my cycles included

test/dbol/deca
test/tren
enanth/equipoise
and cycled tren alone. (Plenty) i think my ass feels like a pin cussion sometimes LMFAO

 

[Muscle Stack]

Im a newbie to the site 30 years old and have done about 6 cycles. 5-8 172lbs my diet is always extrodinary. i lost my source that used to give me help when i was on juice so maybe you guys can help. im not sure if i should start at a beginners cycle intermediate or what? some of my cycles included

test/dbol/deca
test/tren
enanth/equipoise
and cycled tren alone. (Plenty) i think my ass feels like a pin cussion sometimes LMFAO

Welcome to the board!!! Not sure what you want to accomplish so dont know what to suggest... We can help here we juct need more info..

 

[sumafana]

i want to gain muscel and burn fat. I have been at about 180 on cycles and 160 off my whole life. just this past year i have gained 20lbs off the juice. So i would like to Get Bigger yes. but i also have some body fat to loose.

 

[sumafana]

i want to gain muscel and burn fat. I have been at about 180 on cycles and 160 off my whole life. just this past year i have gained 20lbs off the juice. So i would like to Get Bigger yes. but i also have mostly body fat to loose.

pretty much i look like i used to work out now.

 

[eddymerckx]

Rule #1, never rely on a source for advice unless he/she has MD after his/her name--and even then i would take nelson or omega's advice over the docs.

Rule#2, gear is not a substitute for near perfect diet, sleep, and workout plan/form/consistency.

Rule#3, because you are 30, i would not think you should use gear to aid in weight loss as your test is still high.

Rule # 4, give us your stats--e.g. height, current weight, body fat, what your diet is like etc.

Rule #5, I have no idea why I am writing "Rules"--

 

[IronmanLV]

Im a newbie to the site 30 years old and have done about 6 cycles. 5-8 172lbs my diet is always extrodinary. i lost my source that used to give me help when i was on juice so maybe you guys can help. im not sure if i should start at a beginners cycle intermediate or what? some of my cycles included

test/dbol/deca
test/tren
enanth/equipoise
and cycled tren alone. (Plenty) i think my ass feels like a pin cussion sometimes LMFAO

No offense Bro but you have done multiple cycles with all the above and you are 5' 8" and only 172lbs! And you claim you need to get rid of fat too? That just tells me your diet has got to be a mess and your training is probabloy not much better. All the AAS in the world isn't going to fix that. You need to get your diet and training in check first then worry about the AAS later.

 

[mattu3743]

No offense Bro but you have done multiple cycles with all the above and you are 5' 8" and only 172lbs! And you claim you need to get rid of fat too? That just tells me your diet has got to be a mess and your training is probabloy not much better. All the AAS in the world isn't going to fix that. You need to get your diet and training in check first then worry about the AAS later.

lol I have a friend who reminds me of this guy, my boy tells me he hase a great diet and this and that and how clean he eats and shit and how hard he trains. So i was like all right what do you eat for carbs he was like 1 cup of oatmeal for breakfast and a peice of toast for lunch and that was his fuckn carbs and he was wondering why he keeps losing weight and not gaining any muscle.

Sorry i'm just venting my friend just really pissed me off with this shit andthis guys reminds me of him

 

[cuts82]

LOL at diet being "extraordinary" haha,
seriously but but theres three thing that could be wrong-

1. your diet is shit
2. your training is shit
3. or you havent really taken all those substances you rattled off.

Because if all of these were in check you would not have problem,
Also i find it curious that you refer to yourself as a Newb yet youve done 6-7 cycles??

 

[sumafana]

Wow lets go over a few things.
I say im a newbie because i am a newbie to the site.
I have gained weight because i was injured in iraq and durring my recovery i could not train. I went from a wheel chair to cruches to back on my feet. I was on serious medications that made me constipated the whole time. And its been a long GOD DAM recovery!

I eat chicken one day turkey another and fish the next, grits and brockley corn, and i snack on raw potato's and nuts cucumbers.

I have alot of mucsle, however everytime i used gear, i got shit that was GARBAGE and probablly 15% legit. before i was medicaly retired from the army steroid use was so hush i took advice from reading And just started Brewing the pelet soup.

Im here to gain the knowledge on how to get rid of the garbage and turn it into gold shit aswell? isnt everyone?

like i said im 5'8 body fat is 18% i weith aprox 175 and im looking for a good cycle to get me back.

ill take the smart ass comments with a grain of salt thanks.

 

[atown777]

i know people similar to your situation. Got semi-bunk gear and trained their asses off and ate perfectly and didnt get the results they were looking for. Usually means underdosed gear. But yes a lot of people also train half-assed or with shitty form and have shit diets and then blame the gear for "not working" so it goes both ways. I would recommend training for 6 months with a really clean diet before doing another cycle. Then provided your bodyfat is in check do a cutting cycle to get down to at least 8%-9% bodyfat. Then do a really clean bulker. Too many people start bulking cycles with a high percentage of bodyfat. You'll be a lot more satisfied if you get your BF in check before doing a cycle. You dont want to be a muscular fat guy because basically you'll just look even fatter.

Give us an outline of your current diet. What you eat, when you eat it and what you drink for fluids (which should just be water)

Maybe do like a Test Enth/EQ/Winny cycle

Basic diet info. you should be eating at least 6 small meals a day. Start by doing some morning cardio right when you wake up on an empty stomach. Ideally an hour. You can alternate between jogging and walking and sprinting.

Meal 1 after morning cardio 6 egg whites, 1 protein shake mixed with 2 scoops pure whey protein, 4 ounces orange juice and 6 ounces water & 1 banana, 1 cup cooked plain oatmeal (no instant and no sugar)

Meal 2 3 hours after meal 1
1 grilled chicken breast 1 piece of sweet potato

Meal 3 3 hours after meal 2
6 ounces grilled lean beef, turkey, or fish, 1/2 cup brown rice or 1 piece sweet potato

Meal 4 3 hours after meal 3
1 can of tuna no dressings or toppings other than squeezed fresh lemon, 1 apple or 1 orange

Weight Training followed by 1 hour of cardio

Meal 5 immediately afer training drink 1 protein shake, 2 scoops pure whey protein, 5 ounces apple juice, 6 ounces of water

Meal 5 45 minutes after your Post Workout Shake
8 Ounces grilled salmon, swordfish, shark or sea bass etc....& 1 cup of cottage cheese

Meal 6 3 hours after meal 5 eat 1 can of tuna or 6 egg whites or 1 casein protein shake mixed in water with 2 scoops

Thats it bro, train hard, dont half ass your cardio and drink 2 gallons of water a day. You should have to piss almost every 15 minutes.

Do this and you will get your bodyfat in check.

If you want to take some shortcuts you can do something like this with the above diet

Weeks 1-16 250mgs test cyp or test enth
Weeks 1-16 300mgs EQ
Weeks 1-6 Anavar 40mgs daily
Weeks 10-16 50mgs Winny daily (injectable)

If you arent lean and mean after this program then you are doing something seriously wrong. You may throw in as many raw vegetable leafy salads as you want provided you dont use any salad dressing and no croutons. You really shouldnt be that hungry with the above diet. Key is to burn the fat thru training and cardio. Dont starve yourself and dont eat cheat meals!