Money isn't everything...

[musclemom]

I agree with muslce mom on the statement she made ^^^^^^^ up there...but your avatar is kinda scary....you wiccan?...cause I went to salem mass one time..maybe I could see you there =D

There are many pagans throughout the nation, not just in Salem. I've visited Salem but I don't live there. If you're thinking of Laurie Cabot and her people, generally speaking they consider themselves witches. The tradition of Wicca I belong to calls itself syncratic (meaning, drawing from many sources). I actually don't consider myself Wiccan so much as pagan who practices and studies Wicca and belongs to a Wiccan coven.

Personally I love my avatar. I particularly get a kick out of the elemental symbology.

 

[mr navy dude]

its intresting....I once knew a wiccan believe it or not...then he kinda disappeared...here one day gone the next..kinda odd...you people have like teleporting? lol

 

[chris302001]

If anyone has an extra 350k, I wouldnt mind being debt free.

 

[Smurfy]

Anyone who believes that money cannot facilitate happiness should try being poor for a year. I think you will find that you miss your money and although money may not "buy happiness", it is easier to be happy when you have money.

absolutely!

 

[walliwalibus]

Quit talking money you bunch of greedy bastads......... I'm broke and really don't give a sheot what the fock goes on around my a$$. If you don't like it, buy it. Give me some focking money. See, I am a product of corporate greed and corruption. I am a product of unions who won't stand for their people who pay them to represent. I am a product of a society that focks the guy who makes them the money. Take my focking money and shove it up yer a$$ you greedy focking bastads. I'll have my day when all is said and ready. Then I'll be looking down at you.... all you who think money is the thing, hahahah yeah, fockers............

Whew! Ok rant is done and I apologize for my outburst. Please forgive me for I have a sore spot on this topic and knew I shouldn't have came here but II did and you read it so please forgive as I was focked in da a$$ making killer money. KILLER MONEY!!!! Notice the word KILLER! I was making MAD JACK BEOTCH! but no, some bull sheot went down and me, I was the one who took the blame. I had the heat on me, who didn't do anything wrong. I became the freakin' target of stupid corporate Amerikkka. Bullsheot man, utter focking bullsheot. Someday I will laugh my a$$ of when all is said and done. I will be the one laughing. Until then I am pissed. Pissed the Fock Off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mr navy dude]

you would be the end of corporate America if you actually did something with your life....and how is everyone in debt....ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PAY IN CASH AND SAVE....never open a credit line because your screwing yourself over in the future...hell I paid for that baby right there in cash...maybe you people should stop jacking off and do something productive...jesus christ stop complaining and do something about it.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I didn't say "... same type of person would find that not owning anything would make them happy?" And considering you don't know me from a hole in the wall your implication that I have the perspective of a person with an obsessive personality disorder is pretty harsh.

Name calling aside, I said money is not the key to true happiness and implied that anyone who thinks that money can/does or will make them happy is living a fantasy. That's tatamount to saying finding the "perfect house" the "perfect car" or the "perfect wo/man" will make you happy. IT WON'T, ever. You might find transient satisfaction in those things/people, but in the end, if you are NOT happy with YOU, you'll NEVER be happy, period.

Happiness, true happiness, comes from within, period. Circumstances can impact your mood transiently, but to be truly content? That's all up to the person.

I've never, in my life, met a happy rich person, they are always looking for something better, angling for the best leverage, trying to get something from you, thinking you want something from them. I have met many people who were of average or below average income levels and quite happy. Yes, more money would make things "easier" in their lives, but they wouldn't be happier. The greatest satisfaction in life comes from surrounding yourself with those things you cannot buy or measure: a truely loving relationship, health, loving friends and/or family.

Money cannot buy happiness. It can buy objects, possessions, even an image. All of this can create the illusion of happiness, but if rich people were happy they wouldn't take drugs, need rehab, commit suicide, have affairs, get divorced or end up with adult children who are enormously emotionally/mentally screwed up.

I never implied that you have an obsessive personality disorder. I implied that someone who "never has enough" of something has an obsessive personality disorder. By virtue of the fact that you take the perspective that money cannot buy happiness and do not engage in that pursuit would mean that I made no such accusation of you.

In all frankness I believe your perspective to be a completely incorrect stereotype of what you call rich people. My father completely fits the description you give of the "unhappy rich man". He's always angling, driving for bargains, and obsesses about how to finagle money from others in business deals and he is entirely happy doing it. I feel confident in asserting that he would be a much less happy person doing something else. To sweepingly state that people can't be happy pursuing material goods, purchasing material goods, and accumulating wealth is short sighted. Perhaps the wealthy people you know and refer to are unhappy, but the majority of the wealthy people I know are very happy. Do you know poor people as a group to be more happy than the rich people you know? I've yet to meet a happy poor person. I'm unfamiliar with the suicide rates comparing the rich to the middle class or poor. I'm not familiar with any widespread statistics based on economic class, but in my experience poor people abuse drugs, especially alcohol, much more often than rich people despite the fact that rich people have more disposable income. I also wonder how you know that rich people's "illusion" of happiness is not actual happiness. Isn't happiness a state of mind? Isn't happiness self or internally generated in your opinion? If they believe themselves to be happy, are they not happy? The other question I would have for you is, "What is the solution?". If pursuing all of these material things are not making the suicide prone, drug abusing, adultering, and poor parenting upper class happy what would? People in the upper class have friends, relationships, and the health which they do buy by virtue of better access to medical procedure.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I've met a lot of drug-addicted, miserable, mentally imbalanced poor people and I've met a lot of the same who had some cash. When you have money it is *magically* OK to be drug-addicted, miserable and mentally imbalanced because having your driver pour you into the lush surroundings in a beautiful home is waay better than pulling a newspaper overyourself as you crawl into the cardboard box that you stole from the next homeless dude. Isn't it? 'Course if you don't find ways to keep making that kind a dough you may just end up sharing that cardboard box with a coupla other homeless peeps who once had a few bills.

I've also met some wonderful people who have great means that they've earned from nothing and guess what? Although they were happy and very nice people they were *afflicted* with the same difficulties that *the rest* of the planet is, even had some others that those without such a station in life can't understand. When you come from nothing and then you *have a little* you quickly learn that regardless of how nice or good you are MOST PEOPLE will want to fuck you. Why? Because they think to themselves, "You can afford it." You think that hurts that person with the money any less when they realize this? It does not. Makes them jaded and guarded. EVERYONE treates you differently when they *think* you have a few dollars in your pocket. So why not live in a one bedroom apartment and wear clothing from the Good Will? The answer is, "If you have earned the money that buys you the things that you want, then why NOT buy them?"

Hell, we were in the Good Will just yesterday. LOL

... but then again, we are hardly wealthy. We just like to support a wholebuncharandomscumbagattorneys.

Money does NOT buy happiness. Matter of fact it brings with it a whole other set of problems that those who never had any can not begin to understand. Money DOES CHANGE THINGS... That is why, I believe, that you have to make a choice once you are becoming successfull. Either change on the inside to accomodate all that you will need to deal with that comes with the money. Or simply give it away. If you can't handle it, money WILL make you miserable.

Me, I'd rather have money and learn to deal with the headaches that come along than go back to being on the street.

 

[EnderJE]

Biggie Smalls said it best..."Mo Money, Mo Problems."

 

[UA_Iron]

It's the hunt, not the kill that makes me happy.

It's the road to collecting and hoarding money that makes me happy, not the final destination of having it.

Everyone is so worried about being happy... man up and get shit done. If you're busy enough you'll forget about the bullshit that society makes you think is happiness anyway.