MK677 & CJC w/dac LOG!!

[Jimmyinkedup]

Im going to log my mk677 (ibutamaren) & CJC run here!
I have been very interested in mk677 and the possibilities of a peptide stack that would allow for reduced pinning yet still providing an effective GH/IGF increase. With the reduced pinning a cjc w/dac offers along with the oral method of administration that mk677 provides this stack has the potential to fit the bill. I am not plodding in haphazardly here. I have been looking into mk for quite a long time as my thoughts on oral GH secretagogues has always been that they are garbage but mk677 has the data to support the contention that it is actually and orally effective GHRP, which is pretty exciting to me.
My dosages will be as follows:
mk677- 25mg/day, before bed. 5 dayson, 2 days off.
CJC w/ dac- 250mcg injected sub q, e3d, also before bed.
Im probably going to throw in some horny goat weed and green tea extract to prevent GHIH from increasing but I am only doing so because I have a boatload of both of those supplements. I think running the compounds I am and running the mk 5 on, 2 off would negate the necessity of using those 2 supps I also think adding them sure wont hurt.
My first use of this run will be tonight. As far as how long I plan on running this, well I have about 12 weeks worth of mk which I think is long enough to see if this is worth continuing. I have plenty of cjc w/dac so thats not a factor in the length of this run at all. So It will be at least a 12 week run and if it is proving effective then it will likely turn into 6 months before I take a month or 2 off from the stack.
Please follow along and all input is welcome!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

OK - Thanks for following along gents.
I had some baseline BW drawn and as soon as I get the results Ill post them here. I really wanted to get some concrete #'s with this stack and get some facts on what it really does.

9/2/2015: So last night was my first use. The MK677 is dosed at 25mg/ml and has a really strong peppermint flavor. Took 25mg (1ml) and then I pinned (sub q) a tad over 250mcg of the cjc w/dac. I didnt really notice anything. I slept like a log but I was exhausted last night and I dont think it had anything to do with what I took. I took some Green Tea Extract and Horny Goat Weed this am. Ill be taking both of those supps 3x/day. Thats prob gonna be the hardest part- remembering to take the supps.
I am really happy to have gotten this started. Ill be updating regularly.

 

[bigorse]

im following the log bro

 

[tballz]

What's with the peppermint flavoring?

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

im following the log bro

Thanks for following!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

What's with the peppermint flavoring?

??? Just to make it taste better I guess. It is very strongly flavored though which I guess is why I mentioned it. Normally I prob wouldn't have said but when you open this up you can smell the mint. I took it just like I take any liquid rc's etc, used a dropper, put it on back of tongue and chugged some water. I dont even really taste them doing that.

 

[j_oel]

I've read that this combo alone is great for increased appetite and and sleep.will be following ur log

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/3/2015: So last night I took 25mg MK677 before bed. I also remembered to take my Horny Goat Weed and Green Tea Extract 3x yesterday. Woke up this am and took my HGW & GTE right along with my daily cialis, daily NAC and my multi. Once again I slept great last night but similar to the day before I was pretty wiped out so I sure cant say it had anything to do with the MK677 I took or the CJC I pinned the day before. Pretty boring update but i know this is going to take some time. Thanks for following!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/4/2015:
So last night I took my 25mg MK677 and again I slept like a log. People have reported some restlessness with this stuff but I dont know if because I am using the CJC w/DAC alongside it or what but I am sleeping like a baby. In fact I am waking up a little groggy for a few minutes until I clear the cobwebs. I seem to be getting a deep, deep sleep. That's great for me as sometimes I have sleep issues. I did good with my supps yesterday as well. Took the HGW & GTE, all 3 doses, yesterday. This am upon waking I did my normal NAC, Cialis, Multi, HGW, & GTE.
One thing I did notice this am is I am retaining a bit of water. Now in all fairness i ate a LOT of sauerkraut yesterday. Way more than I probably should have. I had pork tenderloin w/ sauerkraut along with red potatoes for dinner. I ate a ton of the sauerkraut and while it has little impact macro wise there is a lot of sodium in it so the water could very well be from that. Its something Ill keep an eye on and update as to whether I lose the water retention or if it is possibly from the mk/cjc stack.
Tonight will be my second shot of CJC w/DAC. My orginal dosing plan was 250mcg E3D but my first dose I did what was probably 300mcg and I think I am going to keep doing a tad over the initial planned 250mcg making the dose 300mcg E3D.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/10/2015:
OK so have been away for quite a few days here but have stayed on point. As far as effects what I am noticing is still pretty much the same. Good, solid sleep for me. I am retaining water but my diet admittedly hasnt been the best. Being away I havent gone crazy but I def havent been totally on point so that is to be expected.
What I am hoping it that by early next week I will have been bak on track and in my routine enough to give a good , solid report of any progress.
Thanks for following!

 

[j_p]

awesome log! Im following.
I am a thinking of doing something similar in the future. I have always been interested and researching MK677 since a couple years ago, now more real world exp is being seen as the popularity has blown on on these compounds, and for good reason.
Excited to see this log out! Good luck!

how often are you pinning the peps? 2-3x a week? i have done 1x and 2x a week and liked 2x a week more, was cjc1295 along with ghrp2 but ghrp dosed 3x a day. very similar to your run, cept i only used MK 1 time couple years back as i was given some, but 2 months alone was not the biggest time span and i could have stacked it. i did notice some gains, bloat and deeper sleep though.

how long do you plan to run these?

 

[Pepe Le-r3]

Following as well. I'm a month in to my mk run and have noticed quite a bit of water retention, I may back off to 20mg/day, not sure yet.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

awesome log! Im following.
I am a thinking of doing something similar in the future. I have always been interested and researching MK677 since a couple years ago, now more real world exp is being seen as the popularity has blown on on these compounds, and for good reason.
Excited to see this log out! Good luck!

how often are you pinning the peps? 2-3x a week? i have done 1x and 2x a week and liked 2x a week more, was cjc1295 along with ghrp2 but ghrp dosed 3x a day. very similar to your run, cept i only used MK 1 time couple years back as i was given some, but 2 months alone was not the biggest time span and i could have stacked it. i did notice some gains, bloat and deeper sleep though.

how long do you plan to run these?

Im pinning E3D.
I plan on going 12 weeks and evaluating. If its going well I will do at least another 12 weeks.
Thanks for following!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Following as well. I'm a month in to my mk run and have noticed quite a bit of water retention, I may back off to 20mg/day, not sure yet.

Thanks for following!
I am going to try something. Im going to add in low dose daily aspirin. I dont think the bloat is from the amount of gH mk is inducing. From having run plenty of gh and knowing how much it takes too illicit the amount of bloat users are reporting I strongly believe that the bloat with mk would be due to ghrellins effect on vasopressin. As aspirin can reduce the effects of vasopressin after my diet stabilizes and if I am still retaining more water than I feel I should be I am going to incorporate the aspirin therapy.
Maybe you can try that if a drop in dosage doesnt do anything (i honestly dont thing a 5mg/day drop will but you never know!)
Chime in here whenever, Id love to compare thoughts.

 

[Pepe Le-r3]

I'm actually running 30mg. I bought it in 10mg pills. I thought maybe the bloat was from cortisol. I'll have to look into what you said.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/15/2015:
Well so far so good. I think I can say a few preliminary things as far as this stack goes and also I am making a dosing change in my cjc.
I was running cjc w/dac at 250-300mcg E3D. I have decided to up this to 500mcg E3D effective immediately. I just feel that the increase will put me right in the sweet spot or at least the low end of the sweet spot as far as CJC w/DAC dosing goes.
As far as effects with my diet having been cleaned up for a bit now I will say the water retention is diminishing.
My sleep has been excellent. To the point that it has consistently been so to the point that I can attribute this to the peptide stack as normally great sleep is not something I regularly experience.
My appetite is up. Now they say this compound doesnt cause this but for me I def notice aa slight inrease in appetite. Not so much quantity of food when I eat but thee frequency with which I get hungry has increased. It is or would be far from an issue when cutting, I am not ravenous but def hungry quite often.
I fel pretty good. A combo of things I am sure, good sleep and the gh effects of this stack. My mood is very good.
All in all I am starting to expereince what I would on a low dose GH protcol but I am not going to kid myself or anyone following I cannot yet say anything aas far as physical effects or benefits. This is not of concern to me nor is it disconcerting at all. I know how these peptides (and even real GH) work. They take time.
My preliminary thought is that the stack is on track to be doing what I had hoped, increasing my GH (and igf) to therapeutic levels. What that will translate to as far as results can only be told by time so I will keep plugging along and pay close attention to the way , I look, feel and physically progress in addition to gather hard data in the form of numbers and we will see how this mk677/cjc w/dac stack ultimately shakes out.
Thanks for following guys!

 

[KC41]

Interesting post on aspirin. I'll have to give that a go. I've only been on 25mgs a day for four days and the bloat is crazy!! I just ordered some Clen & Keto to combat it. I'm also gona drop down to 12.5 mgs. I have some cjc w/dac, but probably wont run that till I get this bloat under control. Also, has anyone used Superiorpeps? they are like half the price of RUI!!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Interesting post on aspirin. I'll have to give that a go. I've only been on 25mgs a day for four days and the bloat is crazy!! I just ordered some Clen & Keto to combat it. I'm also gona drop down to 12.5 mgs. I have some cjc w/dac, but probably wont run that till I get this bloat under control. Also, has anyone used Superiorpeps? they are like half the price of RUI!!

I dont care at all about price I care about quality and you cant touch rui's quality. You got me thinking though so I checked and RUI is around $20 less for mk man! THATS amazing cause I know their products are hands down the best quality you can get but they are usually more expensive than alot of places but in this case not only are they better they are cheaper too!!

 

[KC41]

I don't mind the price either and they're not that bad. Just checking .. I appreciate the reassurance of their product! I've only bought from them. What do you think about running Clen"buterol with MK-677 for the bloat?

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

I don't mind the price either and they're not that bad. Just checking .. I appreciate the reassurance of their product! I've only bought from them. What do you think about running Clen"buterol with MK-677 for the bloat?

I dont think clen will do anything for the bloat. The bloat is Vasopressin induced. Try low dose daily aspirin to get rid of the bloat.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/19/2015:
All is going well. I have upped my cjc dose to 500mcg/injection. My sleep continues to be excellent. The appetite increase is slight but there. I do not get a huge increases like I see some report, just very slight and it doesnt seem to be in the form of the amount of food i consume per sitting. It seems to be more in the form of the frequency with which i get hungry. Honestly I would almost consider this effect a non issue either way. Is it there- yes. Would it in any way hinder if I were cutting- no. Would it help while bulking I guess maybe very slightly.
As far as bloat with my diet in check and a low dose daily aspirin regiment I dont have an issue with it at all. I really recommend those experiencing the bloat issue looks closely at your diet and give the 82mg enteric aspirin, 1x/day, a try.
I guess thats about all to report ATM. Nothing real exciting oother than I think this stuff does do something as far as my HGH & IGF levels. What blood work will tell and how much time will tell. Stay tuned.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/30/2015:
Ok so things are moving along nicely. I think it is good i bumped my cjc w/dac up to 500mcg E3D. That and the 25mg mk/ day seem to be a nice combo for a low dose , GH inducing peptide stack. Obviously I will know more when I get my blood work with some numbers but I can def feel a couple things that tell me I have increased GH levels.
My sleep is great, appetite is good, my sense of well being is very good. I have nice clear skin and the wife tells me my disposition is very good lately. These are all early on signs for me that I have increased levels of GH.
Just wanted to update things- nothing earth shattering to report but keeping this moving along.
My early on thoughts: mk really is an effective oral GHRP without some of the downsides of other GHRPS as far as adverse hormonal effects and minimal appetite impact.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

10/6/2015:
Ok so things are moving along nicely. It seems like in addition to the effects I am already experiencing I may be starting to lose a few lbs of bodyfat. Nothing earth shattering but for me this is promising if it continues as that was one of the nicest benefits of my previous peptide stacks (ie:mod grf & ghrp2).
Im thinking in about 3 weeks or so I will get blood work checking GH & IGF levels. That will be around 8-9 weeks in and will play a big part in whether or not I continue to use this stack past the 12 week mark. I have plenty of CJC w/ dac but if I am going to continue past 12 weeks I need to get more Mk677.
I am trying to be as non biased as possible but I have to admit I really want this stack to work as the infrequent pinning is a joy compared to the pincushion you become with the other GHRH/GHRP stacks. Its even more convenient that using GH as far as injection frequency goes.
Ill update again later in the week.

 

[KC41]

Nice!! I had to stop though. bloat was too much. Even with aspirin, potassium and taurine. I was looking to get some PGCL, does anyone have a good source?

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Man I havent heard talk of PCGL in like almost 10 years! I have no idea where to get it.
I really havent found bloat to be all that much of an issue with daily low dose aspirin in the mix and a clean diet I dont seem to have the issue. Once in awhile the skin on my hands will feel tight (maybe twice since I started this combo) but when i look at my face or even do a press test on my thigh the color returns very quickly to my skin indicating that there is not much edema at all. Sucks that you get that much water retention. Sorry I cant help with the PCGL. Thanks for following man.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

10/16/2015

Ok so basically it has come down to simply waiting another week and a half to get my blood work to see where my gh & igf levels are.
So far I am def liking this stack. I prob sound like a broekn record but I have great sleep, great sense of well being, nice clear skin and most important and telling I havent changed my caloric intake and I am slowly dropping body fat. That tell me this stack is for real.
Basically it does what I was hoping it would. It gives me something equivalent to what would amount to an hrt dose of GH, at a very reasonable cost, with very minimal pinning. This stck should be on every anti aging board around IMO. If someone is looking for a peptide stack that would be equivalent to a GH trt dose the stack I am running could very well be it.
I see a lot of BS logs about mk, people saying they are making big muscle gains etc. Thats all bvllshit man. Its like low dose gh, thats it. No more, no less. The shills have made this out to be something that it isnt when it is totally unnecessary to do so. What it is is good enough on its own man. An effective oral GHRP is huge and when you can combine it with a GHRH w/dac to allow you to pin E3D (you could prob in all reality pin 2x/week if you wanted) that is awesome IMO.
I am stoked to get this BW and cannot wait to post my results guys. Overall so far I am really happy & I can see me running this for a long, long time.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Bloods in 5 days and counting.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

I have purposely been reserving comment in the log here, awaiting the blood work results. They should be available tomorrow afternoon, Thursday at the latest. As soon as I have them I will be posting them up!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

So Im pretty fucking pissed as they were unable to use my blood sample to perform the tests requested. WTF? I have to go have blood re-drawn today. This is the second time in the last 7 months I have had bloods taken at this lab where something like this occurred. Im not happy. Sorry about this guys, bear with me for another 4-5 days it looks like :-/

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

My BW Results Are In:
IGF Baseline Test: 193.4 , this draw: 273.2 (flag:High)
HGH Baseline Test: 1.9, this draw: 2.9 ref range up to 3.0

 

[Xeldotto95]

So this mk677 with CJC make's good results in HGH for you blood test or you're thiking about hit up more HGH to 4.0+?