Decided that I'm going blast and cruise for life (age 24) and 3 questions

[RyanGreg]

Im 24 I have been bodybuilding for many years... competitive bodybuilder in the last 3 years and currently doing very well and now i really want to make a name for myself... I Just finished a 16 week cutting cycle of test/tren/mast/winny which got me looking amazing!

I am now in my 2nd week of PCT and cannot wait to get back on..... This time around however I want to stay on. In 16 weeks time i want to start my next cycle.

BLAST: (16 weeks)

16 weeks test prop @ 60mg/ED
14 weeks tren ace @ 60mg/ED
12 weeks anavar @ 60mg/ED

16 weeks hcg @ 250iu 2x per week
16 weeks aromasin @ 12.5mg
1ml Prami ED

CRUISE: (8 weeks)

8 weeks test prop @ 30mg/ED (or slightly less)
8 weeks aroasin @ 12.5mg/ED

REPEAT.

Questions:

1) how long should a cruise be? Can i cruise for 4 weeks only then blast again?

2) Do i need hcg in my cruise?

3) How should my aromasin dosage be in my cruise? should i go 12.5mg every SECOND day instead of ED?

 

[bengeten]

There is no need for hcg Were you are going m8.

 

[RyanGreg]

There is no need for hcg Were you are going m8.

Onto trt for life? But I thought HCG was still needed if you wanted to have kids?

I will also be freezing some sperm just in case I am in-fertile later on in life when i try for kids.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Another thread another plan..... whats happening this time Ryan,

hmmm, let me guess...

cycle layout will be ED shots for 4 months straight , 14 weeks of tren with some noob questions at the bottom of the post ...

next always come the part where you ignore all the sensible advice that comes your way and THEN its time to start ANOTHER new thread.

 

[RyanGreg]

Another thread another plan..... whats happening this time Ryan,

hmmm, let me guess...

cycle layout will be ED shots for 4 months straight , 14 weeks of tren with some noob questions at the bottom of the post ...

next always come the part where you ignore all the sensible advice that comes your way and THEN its time to start ANOTHER new thread.

So any advice then........?

my last cycle was 16 weeks and ED i don't mind pinning i actually look forward to it.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Just doesnt make sense to pin ED , for a 16 week run and then into a cruise ( which i think is crazy considering your age ) a long ester is ideal.
you will be running an ai , in this case a type 2 aromasin - which means estro /bloat will be zero.
why are you dosing aromain @ 12.5 ED ? eod is plenty

you are using hcg while on-cycle to keep testicular function and some lh stimulation ...this would help you going into pct BUT you are not going to do pct you are going to stay ON.
and then you will use hcg while crusing ( which is just another name for light cycle ) ...and you are considering cruising at 24 ....why the fuck would you do that to yourself at this stage. My buddy RADAR is 60 , he cycles on and off ...and is in amazing shape - better than most guys less than half his age here or anywhere else.

Not flamming you but your lack of basic knowledge and the fact that you say you have ran previous sucessfull cycles just does not stack up.

and you also say you are in serious competion shape heading towards a pro card early in life ?

can you post up some pics and shed some light on these serious contradictions .

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

Just doesnt make sense to pin ED , for a 16 week run and then into a cruise ( which i think is crazy considering your age ) a long ester is ideal.
you will be running an ai , in this case a type 2 aromasin - which means estro /bloat will be zero.
why are you dosing aromain @ 12.5 ED ? eod is plenty

you are using hcg while on-cycle to keep testicular function and some lh stimulation ...this would help you going into pct BUT you are not going to do pct you are going to stay ON.
and then you will use hcg while crusing ( which is just another name for light cycle ) ...and you are considering cruising at 24 ....why the fuck would you do that to yourself at this stage. My buddy RADAR is 60 , he cycles on and off ...and is in amazing shape - better than most guys less than half his age here or anywhere else.

Not flamming you but your lack of basic knowledge and the fact that you say you have ran previous sucessfull cycles just does not stack up.

and you also say you are in serious competion shape heading towards a pro card early in life ?

can you post up some pics and shed some light on these serious contradictions .

^^^^this is really good advice I would take this to heart.

You plan on pinning every day for the rest of you life? There are lots of unknowns to consider with self administered TRT. Ie, the legality of it - there is no guarantee you will always be able to get it. There is no guarantee you will always be able to afford it. Shoot there is no guarantee it will even exist in say 30-40 years. (When you will only be in your 50s) Many other possible factors. There are so many things you have not learned and/or not experienced at 24. Things that are game changers and life changers. Point being, your plan seems like a good idea now, but as life happens and things change your plan might not seem like a great idea and you might want to change it. But at that point, the damage is done, your pituitary gland is f'ed up for good and you will be deficient for life. Now you're stuck, and you have no options.

I'm not judging what you are doing as right or wrong, just trying to give some perspective on the long term consequences of the path you are embarking on. I know it is hard to fully understand and appreciate at your young age - but try to learn from the wisdom of the experienced members here even if it is not what you want to hear. In the end, you will make a decision and go one way or the other. But make sure that decision is as educated as possible.

I'm only 32 so not really an 'old guy' per se - but the perspective, experience and wisdom I have now compared to when I was 24 is mind blowing.

Things can change - leave yourself some options.

Best of luck to you bro

 

[RyanGreg]

Just doesnt make sense to pin ED , for a 16 week run and then into a cruise ( which i think is crazy considering your age ) a long ester is ideal.
you will be running an ai , in this case a type 2 aromasin - which means estro /bloat will be zero.
why are you dosing aromain @ 12.5 ED ? eod is plenty

you are using hcg while on-cycle to keep testicular function and some lh stimulation ...this would help you going into pct BUT you are not going to do pct you are going to stay ON.
and then you will use hcg while crusing ( which is just another name for light cycle ) ...and you are considering cruising at 24 ....why the fuck would you do that to yourself at this stage. My buddy RADAR is 60 , he cycles on and off ...and is in amazing shape - better than most guys less than half his age here or anywhere else.

Not flamming you but your lack of basic knowledge and the fact that you say you have ran previous sucessfull cycles just does not stack up.

and you also say you are in serious competion shape heading towards a pro card early in life ?

can you post up some pics and shed some light on these serious contradictions .

thanks for the reply columbo.... how does it not make sense to pin ED for 16 weeks?

i though aromasin was dosed at 12.5mg thats what i have been told and done in all my previous cycles, maybe ill drop it down to EOD.

ok so i will ditch the hcg then....

what are my chances of still having kids later on in life if I'm on trt?

 

[RyanGreg]

^^^^this is really good advice I would take this to heart.

You plan on pinning every day for the rest of you life? There are lots of unknowns to consider with self administered TRT. Ie, the legality of it - there is no guarantee you will always be able to get it. There is no guarantee you will always be able to afford it. Shoot there is no guarantee it will even exist in say 30-40 years. (When you will only be in your 50s) Many other possible factors. There are so many things you have not learned and/or not experienced at 24. Things that are game changers and life changers. Point being, your plan seems like a good idea now, but as life happens and things change your plan might not seem like a great idea and you might want to change it. But at that point, the damage is done, your pituitary gland is f'ed up for good and you will be deficient for life. Now you're stuck, and you have no options.

I'm not judging what you are doing as right or wrong, just trying to give some perspective on the long term consequences of the path you are embarking on. I know it is hard to fully understand and appreciate at your young age - but try to learn from the wisdom of the experienced members here even if it is not what you want to hear. In the end, you will make a decision and go one way or the other. But make sure that decision is as educated as possible.

I'm only 32 so not really an 'old guy' per se - but the perspective, experience and wisdom I have now compared to when I was 24 is mind blowing.

Things can change - leave yourself some options.

Best of luck to you bro

thanks for the post really appreciate it...

yes i don't mind pinning ED i love pinning it gives me a rush and makes me feel "on" i would hate to only pin twice per week lol...

i don't know what to do.

 

[stevesmi]

bad idea unless you have a trust fund and are set for life.

in 3 years what happens if you decide to make a career change or your wife divorces you and now you owe 18 years of child support. your priorities might change my friend and then what? whats your plan to come off of this? i would have one.

i've seen people have kids and their life totally changes or get married. its all about the wifey and the kid after that. your wife might tell you one day i want you to spend more time with me and less on the gym and steroids. then what? so unless you are already married and your wife is cool with all this its something else to think about! you just not gonna have sex anymore or date? or how bout if you get into a car accident or any injury at the gym where the doc tells you that you have to stay out of the gym for months? then what? you gonna continue juicing and working out when you are injured? shit happens in life man that is unexpected. there is gonna be times when you just don't go to the gym for weeks or months. especially guys your age who are just starting out in life, even if you have a good career your boss could come to you one day and say you are fired or your company could go under.

i would read my thread from 2 weeks ago and how i bridged using natty supps from mr supps and NTBM and how i was able to not only retain my gains but also look amazing. and then i would look into SARM's after that. you have more options than just staying on for life. i made that thread so that guys like you would learn that you don't have to stay on juice all year to keep gains, and yet still people refuse to listen.