PROP / NPP / VAR for a short Bulk Cycle ............... Please Critique

[_Romeo_]

Completed 1st cycle (7 months ago): test E @ 500 a week for 16 weeks... Aromasin 12.5mg through out the whole cycle. HCG at 250 twice a week then a blast before PCT...... Also, PCT consisted of clomid 50/50/50/50 ... Nolva 40/40/20/20.

No major side effects at all ... Test E kicked in around week 8-9 (some bloating + some back pain)

total pounds gained: 28 pounds.

Stats: 32 years old, 5'7, 198lbs, 14-15% BF, lifting since i was 17.

Proposed Cycle (in a few weeks): TPP or test Prop weeks 1-10 @ 200mg EOD
NPP weeks 1-8 @ 150mg EOD.
VAR weeks 4-12 @ 50mg Daily
Aromasin throughout cycle @ 12.5mg daily
HCG throughout cycle @ 250iu twice a week... 500iu Blast for 10 days prior to PCT
Caber on hand just in case.
PCT: 2 weeks after last test Shot
clomid 100/100/50/50....Nolva 40/40/20/20 (weeks 3,4,5,6 of PCT)... Aromasin 25/25/25/25

Goal: Short Lean Bulk with minimal bloat.

please let me know what your thoughts are.. thanks

 

[Texas Monster]

Drop the Nolva. Only run var 6 weeks at the end.

Week 1-10 Test p 200mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 150mg eod
Week 7-12 Var 50mg
Week 7-12 N2gaurd
Week 1-4 HCGenerate
Week 5-12 HCG 500ius

PCT Week 11
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+Unleashed
DAA

And you must also run caber throughout. You do not just run caber in case you get prolactin side effects. You run caber to help with HPTA recovery. When Prolactin levels get high this inhibits the HPTA and damages it.

 

[_Romeo_]

Drop the Nolva. Only run var 6 weeks at the end.

Week 1-10 Test p 200mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 150mg eod
Week 7-12 Var 50mg
Week 7-12 N2gaurd
Week 1-4 HCGenerate
Week 5-12 HCG 500ius

PCT Week 11
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+Unleashed
DAA

And you must also run caber throughout. You do not just run caber in case you get prolactin side effects. You run caber to help with HPTA recovery. When Prolactin levels get high this inhibits the HPTA and damages it.

Thanks for the feedback... here's where i am getting too many input on. Will drop Nolva. Other also are telling me to up the Var to 60-100mg. Also, i am being told to run Prop for 8 weeks not 10.... what do you think?

 

[jmat2407]

Drop the Nolva. Only run var 6 weeks at the end.

Week 1-10 Test p 200mg eod
Week 1-8 NPP 150mg eod
Week 7-12 Var 50mg
Week 7-12 N2gaurd
Week 1-4 HCGenerate
Week 5-12 HCG 500ius

PCT Week 11
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+Unleashed
DAA

And you must also run caber throughout. You do not just run caber in case you get prolactin side effects. You run caber to help with HPTA recovery. When Prolactin levels get high this inhibits the HPTA and damages it.

I would lower your test dosage and up your NPP dosage. Test is far overrated and people don't even realize at higher dosages its the one causing cycle issues not the Nandrolone. NPP is probably one of the best and least side effects steroids out there.

Take an AI to control e2 ( most of which is caused by the Test converting not the Nandrolone) and take caber .5-1mg e3d and your set. Also I'd up the var to at least 80mg/day. Though winny stacks better with NPP, its just a lot more brutal on the body and hairline than var.

 

[Texas Monster]

Try to keep the Var dosage low. It will wreak havoc on your lipid profile. If you can get results on 50mg stick with that. Otherwise up the dosage to around 80 like jmat suggested.

And it is up to you to play with the dosages. For me I stack my nandralone higher and test lower because of the reasons jmat said but have a hard time recomending it to other people because we all react differently to nandralone.

 

[_Romeo_]

Thank you all for the input... i am adjusting a few things based on feedback i am getting.

week 1-8 Test Prop @ 200mg EOD
week 1-8 NPP @ 200mg EOD
week 1-8 Var @ 50-100 Daily
HCG & Aromasin from Beginning to end ... Caber E3D
PCT (one week after last shot)

Any thoughts on the above?

 

[Texas Monster]

Start PCT immediately dont wait a week. At most 3 days.

 

[_Romeo_]

Start PCT immediately dont wait a week. At most 3 days.

3 days at the most... will do.

Question: why would NPP produce more results if it's increased against Test prop, even though every other site out there says to always keep Test higher and run it longer? Just curious

 

[Texas Monster]

3 days at the most... will do.

Question: why would NPP produce more results if it's increased against Test prop, even though every other site out there says to always keep Test higher and run it longer? Just curious

bro science at its best......

It came around when people werent using caber with 19 nors and they let their prolactin get too high and it ended up giving them libido problems etc....

you can run a 19 nor higher than test. Just make sure you are running prami or caber.

 

[dylangemelli]

your test is too high on this... there's no need to go over 150 mg eod... i think you'll get nice results at 100 mg eod but 150 is a nice dosage of prop... start anavar at 60 mg day the first four weeks and then bump to 80 mg the last 2 weeks if you are not getting sides... make sure to run n2guard with it and lipid stabil would also be very helpful as well... run prop for 8 weeks...