Anything before morning cardio

[muscelove]

Maybe this should be in the cardio section but i figured it had to do with food too. Anyway. I know they say cardio in the morning is the best in terms of raising the metobalism and for fat loss. Would a glass of Orange juice 4oz and a cup of coffee with 1 teaspoon of sugar lessen the effectiveness of morning cardio due to the carbs they have. Wouldnt the caffiene have a positive effect.

 

[pintoca]

any carbs you eat before morning cardio you will need to burn before you tap into your fat reserves.

The OJ is much more calorie and carb dense than an orange (plus you are missing the fiber)... for God's sake!!! Don't add sugar to it (or to anything else for that matter).

Your best bet would be:

1. Open up a can of whoopass coffee and have a LOADED mug (not a cup)... You will NEED to run to wear that thing off.

anyway, I am new to the morning cardio thing, but I find that running while on a caffeine high is exhilarating....

 

[muscelove]

Ok screw the OJ. Im gonna try just coffee.

 

[Gigantasor]

Hell I forgo the cofee just in the interest of time and pop a cafeen pill. I drag my sorry ass out of the house at 5am do my lift and then hit the cardio all before my first meal. I have been getting the best result I've seen in the last two years using this method.

Lifting while on E has been a bit hard but so far I have enjoyed a lean mass increase as a result and my BF has dropped a lot.

But like Pintoca said stay away from anything with concentrated sugars/cabs, and don't use the sugar use splenda or sweet-n-low or something.

 

[muscelove]

Yea im gonna try just the coffee because it hits me immediatley.

 

[flowerz]

Yea im gonna try just the coffee because it hits me immediatley.

A few days ago I switched to green tea before cardio. It gave me cramps from hell. I wonder why. Coffee doesn't do that to me. Think I'll switch back to coffee.

Anyone know why green tea causes cramps?

 

[gvc3k]

If you have a protein shake before am cardio, will you be burning the protein calories before anything else?

 

[pintoca]

If that shake is 100% protein with no carbs (like pure whey isolate on water) some people will say it will help you protect muscle... In this sense, your body will tap into the most readily available energy source. Carbs is always the prefered ( I will not go into the 3 Energy Systems here, so I am simplifying, for the haters) , if those are not available, proteins come in second and fat a late third.

You put mik in it or any other fancy-flavored protein shake with carbs and starts to get nasty...

We shouldn't really get too anal about small details: fact of life is:

1. You will loose some muscle while cutting
2. You will gain some fat while bulking

Pintoca

 

[mae.susan]

if you eat anything before morning cardio, just make sure its _not_ anything that will raise blood-sugar/insulin. when insulin is elevated, you won't be able to access your bodyfat for energy, at least that's my understanding. The other side of the coin is, if you feel too tired/weak in the morning if you _don't_ eat anything first, then how good is that workout. And even further, if you find morning cardio a hassle, and you are prone to skip it, then a cardio workout later in the day, even though its technically less efficient, may be the better option. It really depends on your personality as much as the science behind it. By the way, there is a site that talks about this in great detail, among other things. . www.88days.org . highly recommended.

 

[musclebosun]

straight black coffee no sugar. If you can't stand the taste, water it down with cold water and skoll the fucker. You will not be dissapointed.

 

[The Red Dragon]

What about a 200 mg pill I fuckin hate coffee. I'd imagine caffeine would have an amazing effect (waking you up and promoting lipolysis)

What if you're in ketosis, does it really matter if you eat your fat/protein meal prior hahahah

Don't have any type of sugar, insulin will seal your adipose tissue shut, but then again, OJ is mostly fructose...which is still pretty bad but it doesnt' require as much insulin than does normal glucose but anyway, any fast absorbing nutrient will decrease your glucagon/epinephrine levels in the morning and therefore, you will not tap into the fat stores

Pfft, if its just cardio who cares...I'd mainly be concerned about weight training in the morning

Morning is an amazing placement for high-mod intensity cardio though, if that whole empty tank thing is false (i doubt it) its positioned so that your metabolism is raised for the remainder of the day. if cardio is done in the evening/night...you probably waste high metabolism time during sleep...

 

[Psykosik]

any carbs you eat before morning cardio you will need to burn before you tap into your fat reserves.

Sorry, but it's absolutly false. It will only help losing muscle mass by quitting the hypoglycemia state you're at, in the morning.

The pre-cardio meal should consist of whole proteins and complex carbohydrates.

You can't do cardio after an 8 hour fast. The body will look for the most readily available fuel source - muscle glycogen - not fat.

Morning cardio before a meal is great if you want to burn muscle.

The issue is that you will rely also heavily on gluconeogenesis, which is highly catabolic to muscle tissue.

At approximately 65 % V02 max, fuel is derived from approximately 50 % fats, and 50 % carbohydrates. Of this, fatty acids are derived in nearly equal measure from peripheral and endogenous ( intramuscular) TGs, while the majority ( 80 %) of glucose is derived from intramuscular fuels, with only 20 % from the periphery(Romijn et al. 1993). Of the 20 % glucose released by the liver, approximately 15 % of it is from gluconeogenesis (Ahlborg et al., 1974, Ahlborg and Felig, 1982, ). However, again such fuel use is also time dependent. For example, after two hours of exercise TGs become dominant from peripheral fuels compared to endogenous fuels. Twice the amount of peripheral fatty acids are used relative to intramuscular fatty acids which may be due to depleted intramuscular TG stores. Depletion of glycogen also increases use of peripheral fuels. Ahlborg and Felig (1982) performed a similar study to the Alborg et al. ( 1974) study, with the exception that exercise was performed at 59 % V02 max. Because exercise intensity was higher than low protocols( 30-40 performed in ALborg et al. 1974), 75 grams of glucose was released by the liver in 3 instead of four hours. After this amount of time, the level of liver depletion, like low intensity exercise, increases the rate of gluconeogensesis. This is in large part due to increasing cortisol levels due to lowered plasma glucose, as well as increased glucagon levels (see below). Up to

60 % of fuels from the liver at this time are produced by gluconeogenesis. During this study, plasma glucose levels rose from the onset of exercise and peaked at 90- minutes of exercise. However, by 3.5 hours of cycling, blood glucose levels had decreased to hypoglycemic levels. The decline was most rapid from 120 – 180 minutes, and was associated with the lowest outputs of glucose from the liver, due to the extreme and catabolic reliance on gluconeogenesis. Further, the fall in plasma glucose was 40 % lower after 3 hours than it was at low intensity exercise.

Source : http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/Nutrientpartitioningpart3.php


Hope you get it now.

 

[pintoca]

Sorry, but it's absolutly false. It will only help losing muscle mass by quitting the hypoglycemia state you're at, in the morning.

The pre-cardio meal should consist of whole proteins and complex carbohydrates.

You can't do cardio after an 8 hour fast. The body will look for the most readily available fuel source - muscle glycogen - not fat.

Morning cardio before a meal is great if you want to burn muscle.

The issue is that you will rely also heavily on gluconeogenesis, which is highly catabolic to muscle tissue.


Source : http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/Nutrientpartitioningpart3.php


Hope you get it now.

Morning cardio on a empty stomach is probably the MOST debated issue concerning training.

I will only point an article from Tom Venuto, who is, at least in my view, a respectable source: The guy gets down to 3.9% NATURALLY for competition.

http://www.freedomfly.net/Articles/Training/training17.htm

To see how this guy looks like and if its worth to follow his advice:

http://www.musclephysique.com/mot_photo.html

In any way, as I always say: Research should be used ONLY as your starting point. You need to try it yourself, log and compare what works best for you.

If morning cardio where as catabolic as you mention, NOBODY (except those on gear) would be doing it... I am not suppoorting a theory by going on the useless argument of "if everybody is doing, it must be right", but saying that BBers are constantly ahead on nutrition/training experience goes a long way.

I am personally not a morning cardio person myself: I trained for 6 months in the most catabolic state possible: Doing long. hard cardio sessions (45min @ 80% MHR) inmediately AFTER my lifting (gasp!!)... I have lost 56.3 lbs so far (53.4 lbs fat and 2.8 lbs LBM), which does not sound too catabolic to me.

I only started doing morning cardio recently, due to schedule changes... and to be even more catabolic, I am doing 45min steady state cardio (80-85% MHR) only with coffee inside) everyday @ 5:30 am... AND doing 20 min HIIT (95% MHR) 4 times a week AFTER lifting on evenings... I don't know yet if this will backfire, only time will tell.

Bottom line is: I really cannot care less about absolute truths: Read the studies, take it ith a grain of salt and TRY it on yourself. Accepting something blindly will only give you 50% of the truth.

Anyway, let's please not turn this into a pissing contest, you have your opinion and I have mine. Let the people decide which way they want to go, after testing what works for them. To each its own.


I think I already "got it"



Pintoca

 

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[yan]

To use a tablet of ephedrine HCL, the caffeine increases the heart a lot