balls deep in a bio of joey stalin

[binö]

very interesting cat
confident, insecure, demanding, hard working, intelligent in some areas, dumb as fuck in others, murderous, brutal, humorous, passionate.
quite a contradiction of a man.
in one sense, he brought together a variety of people, under one nation, much more efficently than any tsar in modern history. he forcefully propelled russia from a backwardass nation into a global superpower with earth wide influence.
in the other sense, he did this at gun point, cutting bloody swathes out of the population and ruthlessly exterminating all that opposed him and plenty that did not but he suspected of.
in the grand scheme is all the death worth the pedestal he put russia on?
manifest destiny?
discuss?

 

[heatherrae]

never heard him called "joey" before...lol.

 

[wootoom]

i wanna be balls deep

 

[binö]

never heard him called "joey" before...lol.

lol

stalin was not his given name, he adopted it.
means steel

and what do you think, does proppelling your nation into a better future justify killing millions?

 

[heatherrae]

lol

stalin was not his given name, he adopted it.
means steel

and what do you think, does proppelling your nation into a better future justify killing millions?

no, the ends don't justify the means.

 

[-Ariel-]

dude who I know nothing bout... would like to know more though, know a shit load about marx... but nothing about stalin.

 

[binö]

no, the ends don't justify the means.

what if more or an equal amount would suffer living in a backwards nation
instead of the suffering being drawn out, like in africa, it's all at once, like with stalin

 

[heatherrae]

what if more or an equal amount would suffer living in a backwards nation
instead of the suffering being drawn out, like in africa, it's all at once, like with stalin

I don't think that was the case. I think that the scar that it leaves on the country emotionally and historically cannot be easily quantified and counts a great deal. Plus, it was unnecessary brutality. It isn't the brutality that improved conditions. Conditions improved in some areas DESPITE the brutality. Many rulers have improved the conditions of their people without resorting to mass murder, after all.

 

[binö]

I don't think that was the case. I think that the scar that it leaves on the country emotionally and historically cannot be easily quantified and counts a great deal. Plus, it was unnecessary brutality. It isn't the brutality that improved conditions. Conditions improved in some areas DESPITE the brutality. Many rulers have improved the conditions of their people without resorting to mass murder, after all.

yeah, true
the superpower he created rotted from within
anybody who claims bush is a facist/terroist should read up on ole' joey.
really puts things into perspective

 

[heatherrae]

yeah, true
the superpower he created rotted from within
anybody who claims bush is a facist/terroist should read up on ole' joey.
really puts things into perspective

Well, yeah, even I wouldn't argue that bush in the same league as Stalin or Hitler. They were some crazy fucks. Bush wants to kill everyone except his own people. Stalin and Hitler really didn't care where you lived...lol.

 

[binö]

Well, yeah, even I wouldn't argue that bush in the same league as Stalin or Hitler. They were some crazy fucks. Bush wants to kill everyone except his own people. Stalin and Hitler really didn't care where you lived...lol.

the highest body counts in modern usa history have been under democratic presidents.
fdr, jfk, lbj
not saying things would've been different with a rep running the show, but food for thought

 

[Lestat]

what book man? sounds interesting

 

[binö]

dude who I know nothing bout... would like to know more though, know a shit load about marx... but nothing about stalin.

grew up a blue collar georgian
was able to rise to the most prominent position on earth arguably
quite intriguing

 

[binö]

what book man? sounds interesting

joesph stalin is the title, cover in soviet red
i could tell you the author later, if interested, i don't have the book near me at the moment.

 

[-Ariel-]

Well, yeah, even I wouldn't argue that bush in the same league as Stalin or Hitler. They were some crazy fucks. Bush wants to kill everyone except his own people. Stalin and Hitler really didn't care where you lived...lol.

the thing about hitler that fascinates me, is his persuasive power... he was a political genius... a total wac narcissist, but a genius in persuading people... don't admire the guy who used the failure of the weimar republic, along with mythic stories about the aryans... which he totally misunderstood, to justify the killing of millions of people, however what intrigues me is the dude had to have understood or an innate ability to move people beyond the content of his words... studying social epidemics, this has to be the worst one in the history of the world. Again, I'm not a historian or even expert on Hitler, so I really don't know, but yeah, dude was bad news on an epic scale.

 

[binö]

the thing about hitler that fascinates me, is his persuasive power... he was a political genius... a total wac narcissist, but a genius in persuading people... don't admire the guy who used the failure of the weimar republic, along with mythic stories about the aryans... which he totally misunderstood, to justify the killing of millions of people, however what intrigues me is the dude had to have understood or an innate ability to move people beyond the content of his words... studying social epidemics, this has to be the worst one in the history of the world. Again, I'm not a historian or even expert on Hitler, so I really don't know, but yeah, dude was bad news on an epic scale.

hitler had the perfect stew to foster his rabid fans
a dismal economy, a disgruntled populace, a common enemy.
without these factors i doubt he coulda reached prominence
in desperate times the fanatic always sounds more appealing

 

[-Ariel-]

hitler had the perfect stew to foster his rabid fans
a dismal economy, a disgruntled populace, a common enemy.
without these factors i doubt he coulda reached prominence
in desperate times the fanatic always sounds more appealing

+1
I really can't argue with that...
Absolutely true about desperation and the movement towards a revolutionary message...