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rdayrdayrday

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posted February 15, 2001 06:11 PM

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hi
i've just started taking creating and protein(in milk)to help me bodybuild.
i work out 3 days a week.
[1]do i still take them both on my rest days?
thanks


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HamHock

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posted February 15, 2001 06:28 PM

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Definitely YES on your protein---most of your muscle growth & repair will come on rest days and protein/BCAA's are an important part of this. Creatine is a different matter, you will get different responses from different source. If you just started taking creatine, then I would say yes as you will be seeking total saturation, otherwise, it may not be as useful on off days. If you decide to take creatine on off days, I would suggest taking first thing in a.m. and no more than 5 g. Creatine is most effective immediately after workouts. It is very important to make sure your H20 intake is high while on Protein/Creatine for them to be effective.


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MUSTANG_18

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posted February 15, 2001 07:52 PM

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YES TO BOTH. TAKE THE CREATINE ON OFF DAYS TO KEEP YOUR MUSCLES SATURATED(SP) AS FOR THE PROTEIN I ALWAYS TRY TO GET 2+ GRAMS OF PROTEIN PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT, EVEN ON OFF DAYS. HOPE THIS HELPS

M18


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40butpumpin

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posted February 15, 2001 08:22 PM

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Absitively, good quality protein and even creatine will do only good things for your body any time.


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Sniperwolf

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posted February 15, 2001 09:23 PM

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I take protein and MRP's on rest days but I don't take as much as I would on a training day. For example on a training day I would have 5 servings throughout the day but on a rest day I would only take 3. However the main reason I do this is to make sure the protein I order lasts me a month befor I get some more.


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Valdez

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posted February 16, 2001 12:37 AM

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2 grams of protein per lb without AS is very extreme and not necessary (in most cases...) plateau's, and cutting phases etc. sure but that much protein is not necessary.

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HamHock

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posted February 16, 2001 01:40 AM

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I agree with Valdez on this one, excessive protein can be harmful to your kidneys and liver, not to mention, be an expensive waste product ( http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_proteins_in_nutrition.html ). Also, you have to consume a good ratio of carbs with your protein to make it effective (Protein ingested without carbs will be used for energy rather than to build or repair muscle tissue. Though protein is the building material of new muscle mass, carbs are required to keep insulin levels elevated enough to facilitate the uptake of protein by the muscles) and 300 - 400+ g of protein a day requires a helluva lot of carbs to be effective which equates to huge caloric intake. Post workout is the single most effective time for protein/carb intake, followed by 1st thing in the a.m. for maintaining and building LBM.

Creatine absorption is limited by the body, so excessive consumption is useless. Not to mention, that a small % of the population is completely unresponsive to Creatine supplementation. Creatine occurs naturally in steak, chicken, etc., so if you eat well, creatine on offdays can be less effective. However, postworkout is the best time for creatine absorption, provided you create a carb induced insulin spike to facilitate this and replenish the glycogen stores.


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chillin408

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posted February 16, 2001 05:12 AM

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i looked at all his references and said anything about high protein causing kidney stones,i think he just added that himself with no references to it,so its just his opinon like anyones word on the street

also look at the bottom where it says sources,out of those sources their is only about 2-3 references i looked them all up ,none of them were directly related to his article ,its like he went and random chose them,the other 4-5 sources i do not know how to look up but who cares,those are just opinons anyway,and if u look at the topic most are about lactose intolerence,or other stuff that is unrelated to protein causing kideny problems


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Fianna

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posted February 22, 2001 08:44 PM

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IMHO, the problems supposedly caused by creatine or too much protein are at least partly due to lack of water. You need lots and lots of water if you're using these. Keep a water bottle handy and don't ever let yourself get thirsty.



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johnny iron

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posted February 22, 2001 09:22 PM

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Chillin 408 has a good point, there are no studies showing kidney damage from excessive protein intake in healthy humans. This was just a myth that came up a while back from a study done on people with kidney disease (can't remember which disease) that could not tolerate protein well. You can look long and hard, but you won't find any studies showing negative side effects from protein consumption in HEALTHY human males. I've already tried. The only negative side from an overconsumption of protein is wasting your money. I personally use between 1.25 and 1.5 grams a day per lb of bodyweight.


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Providian

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posted February 22, 2001 09:48 PM

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Protein definetly on off days if being used to supplement protein intake from solid food sources.Creatine, maybe, I find myself occasionally having a serving of creatine on off days if my steak/red meat intake is small. Does it do anything? I can't tell one way or another.I figure better safe..


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