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 increasing prohormone gains
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Cool Novice 
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has anyone ever used clomid at the end of a cycle of say 4 diol w/ any other prohormones..if you did this your gains would stay b/c i think your testes wouldn't be drained at the end of the cycle..that's why people don't get gains using prohormones or they just don't train hard enough and eat enough protein..i will test this on myself and report what happends..i'll probalby do 8 weeks of sublingual 4-diol and see what happends..wish me luck!!..do you think i should take the chrysin deluxe w/ 4 diol..there is a chance it can convert to estrogen..i want to be on the safe side..any suggestions is appreciated..thanx..laid her     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 253 |
never had any gains off prohormones! so clomid was the last thing on my mind! do the search: (valdez "prohormones whatever") you can read about my discovery that PROHORMONES SUCK ASS AND DON'T WORK. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 253 |
the reason prohormones don't work is that even the best of them can only raise test by about 50% or something like that. be very wary of "scientific reports" as they are usually done in women, or avg. couch potato joes that have never hit a weight before. so of course they are gonna gain. It took me a while, I was optimistic that they were worth it. they are not. raised protein synthesis cannot be sustained with prohormones. not to mention that prohormones don't raise test during the night. you grow during sleep. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
thanks for the info Valdez..so what your saying is all these people who get gains off of prohormones was either a couch potato or actually trained hard for once w/ some intensity..the only reason i asked is b/c i have a bottle of 4 diol and don't know what to do w/ it now..w/o intensity and heavy lifting you will never be anything..i'm sore always the next day..if i'm not then i know i'm not growin..laid her | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 253 |
If you already have a bottle of 4-diol you might as well use it. I am 20yr old. so It may help someone who is approaching 40's (don't know your age) I think the price/preformance ratio of these chemicals are terrible. they really do not provide a sufficient advantage to create significant "gains" I would strongly urge all to worry first about diet and training. I was very interested in the diols when I was new to BB. but that interested has vanished with my experience. they are very $$ and glutamine, creatine, protein powder are way more beneficial. I hope this helps. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
no, i'm not 40, try 21..the 4 diol has been sitting in my room for atleast 3 months..i haven't opened it yet..i'm hesitant to use it b/c it will elevate my test and increase my current estrogen count..i didn't know that at the time..and i've heard it can cause gyno but very unlikely..i think i do have some gyno b/c of the lumps behind my nipples definetly from puberty..i don't want to risk it..i heard from somewhere though that chrysin in not active in the body for very long after you take it..you have to take a lot of it for it to be effective..the only thing i can think of to make sure i don't get gyno is some nolvadex. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
diol-4 has worked real well for me. Both strength and size. I use sports one 'cycloroid' and diol-4. the diol in the morning. cycloroid pre workout. if your diol is sublingual, 100mg a day works well, might want to throw in some chrysin though. If it's just a pill take no less than 300mg and you'll notice the differance. No matter what the roiders say, prohormones can help, just not in comparison to gear. -Blackop |
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