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cm3504jm

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posted November 15, 2000 09:09 PM

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Stalin once said "Those who vote don't make the decision, those who count the votes do" or words to that effect.

Is our country headed toward a Communist form of government? Ironically at the time when the former USSR is headed toward a true capitalistic society.

I am fed up with lawyers, politicians, and those who would sacrifice our freedoms for their personal gain and power.

How do you vets feel? Your sacrifices for the freedoms that made America the greatest country in the world are being thrown away like yesterdays garbage. What an insult!

Those who have abated these precious rights will have to answer to a higher calling as we
all must do eventually. I wish them NO mercy.
They have divided our country and this travesty should always be remembered.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" I have posted this above my desk at work.

Remember, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I love my country, lets band together and not let it go to hell.

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"If you stand by the river long enough, you will watch the bodies of your enemies float by"


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Fender

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posted November 15, 2000 09:42 PM

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Good points. Looks like you got some good ideas.


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cm3504jm

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posted November 16, 2000 12:00 AM

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Bump it up for the Veterans


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d1734

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posted November 16, 2000 12:21 AM

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i agree. history is something we should all study as much as anything. history has already proven that communism and socialism will always fail. perhaps greater understanding of history would lead to the great libertarian society that i dream of.


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Fender

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posted November 16, 2000 12:25 AM

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Socialism as Americans see it is alive and well in the Scandinavian countries, France, and England, just to mention a few.

There is more to the world that the US.


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Fender

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posted November 16, 2000 12:28 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by d1734:
history has already proven that communism and socialism will always fail.

Socialism is a system of government and Communism is an economic system. They do not always co-exist. Denmark is an example of a Socialist country with a Capitalist Economy.



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d1734

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posted November 16, 2000 12:50 AM

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my referral to socialism is income redistribution. one of the main themes. it is nothing more than theft.


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Fender

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posted November 16, 2000 01:13 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by d1734:
my referral to socialism is income redistribution...it is nothing more than theft.

I am sorry to hear you feel that way.

I will use some facts to illustrate why that statement reflects negatively on you.

The countries traditionally with the most socialist governments in terms of high taxes, and the government taking care of everyone's needs such as medical care...etc, are the Scandinavian countries. The people pay high taxes and have many government programs and not just welfare. These countries are also known to have been the most pure considering race, ethnicity...etc. They were around 95%-99% the same, so little foreigners or immigrants. Basically they were happy to pay for government programs because it was going to people just like them.

Now, the country that bitches the most about government programs and welfare [the USA] happens to have a huge number of immigrants and foreigners and not to mention large minority groups. That led scholars to assume that you are against redistribution because you are prejudiced against people that are not like yourself.

As a final note, the Scandinavian countries have recently been taking in more and more foreign immigrants. And guess what the people are starting to bitch about? Yup, they are complaining about the government programs and welfare. This is much more than mere coincidence.



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BigGuy_1

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posted November 16, 2000 02:03 AM

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Great points, Fender!!!!!!!!!!!


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Hinder

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posted November 16, 2000 11:40 AM

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fender, that is some fucked up shit.


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underguy77

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posted November 16, 2000 12:47 PM

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that is one hell of a point fender


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WODIN

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posted November 16, 2000 01:01 PM

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The point we should all realize is this! Never before in the history of mankind have so many different races, creeds, colors, religions lived under one common banner without destroying each other! We are not doing that bad of a job people!!! Jebus!!!

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MattTheSkywalker

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posted November 16, 2000 01:10 PM

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I'm a veteran and I'm not really all that thrilled with things.

Fender - good points about the homogenous countries being more eager to pay for programs.....there is more to this than we are admitting - we are not into wealth redistribution here because we don't like to imagine to whom it is going.

Really good point that is too often overlooked.


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Laserdude

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posted November 17, 2000 12:27 AM

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It is about time we look at Clinton/Gore. Both of them are socialist weather we care or not is the problem. Socialism is just like alcoholism. We have democratic socialism, and republican socialism. NEXT TIME YOU VOTE, vote libertarian.


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