And I don't think they want to move in next door to us if you get my meaning.

I think intelligent life in the universe is rare but it's a big universe, unless we or some advanced civilisation get around the limits of lightspeed, we may never know, at least in our lifetime, whats out there.

Everyone has a number an 18 digit pin number. consisting of birth, location, and ID. each a 6 digit number. birth xx-xx-xx/ loc. xx-xx-xx ( the reason satellites concentrated high resolution imaging of the world right down to street level from the 70's onwards.) and an ID xx-xx-xx Even if like in the UK were we don't have them (YET) all nations have a TAX FILE NUMBER. which is yes 6 digits , we in the UK in fact have a DSS number take the letters away from it you have the req. 6 digits. e.g.. NA XX-XX-XX B Putting all this together gives a unique 18 digit pin that tells the NWO that " A person was born on that day, this person lives in this street, this person is that Ind. ID no, which is linked via link numbers not to dissimilar to HTML hot line addresses to documents and data al about you.

The scary thing is, and this is why a preacher has been following events is that this 18 digit pin when broken down gives 666 ( Yeah the number of the beast, The super comp in Brussels is even an anagram of BEAST ) "

Sorry to take up so much space, I thought some of you might find this interesting though.. As for the extraterestial part of it all, I have seen news clips of Ronald Regan when he was president make several references to life beyond ours.. He even became suddenly very ill right before he was to take a trip to Wright - Patterson Air Force Base where they alledgely have either the reminents of the Roswell craft, or its occupents.. I cant recall which.. I agree with whoever said they think all the movies and TV shows lately are more than pure entertainment.. I think that they are trying to get us ready for something, so that everyone wont be in their kitchen drinking Clorox Bleach like when Orson Wells made that radio announcement so many years ago that aliens had landed..

I suggest you read "Mind Control, World Control" by Jim Keith, which alleges some NWO connections w/ Tavistock, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, etc...

Hmm, weird - on another side note - he actually died September 7th, 1999, and instead of "suspicious" - I think you mean he died from a cardiac thrombosis, those usually aren't so suspicious.

this post is yet another that I can fully rectify in my mind by saying that you should read "A Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan.

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I think the power of suggestion is stronger than we think...fear the closet monster and at night you WILL hear it.

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I'm not being preachy here, and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I believe, and why to me it makes sense...

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"Mr. Phillips, are you honestly telling me that people are really going to believe that I'm the 'before,' and he's the 'after'?"

You know, I hate it when almost all possible evidence points to the Bible, and then everyone's going EVERYTHING IS TRUE EXCEPT THAT BOOK, and then scurry on to find another explanation, one to fit THEIR beliefs (or lack thereof)

Man, there are no aliens!! If aliens could come here, either they would have made first contact, or would have pulverized us, like in Independence Day. I don't see the point of them abducting people and doing rectal probes on them. What's the point of this?

does anyone else here see the humor in this? am I the only one?

hey - just for fun, Future One, could you humor me and list... like 2 things that point to the Bible being the ulitimate truth? you say all possible evidence points to it... but I'm such a moron, I can't even think of one thing... can you help me out here? 2 things?

Would be able to kick et's ass? Sure, just because you can travel huge distances and are technically smart, does not mean you are tactically smart or stronger.

Never underestimate the human will to survive.

As for the bible, it does have interesting stuff in it. It can be taken two ways:

One as a religous text outllining our fate

Or as an historical document outlining a plan laid down years past, in the only manner understandable at the time.

Me personally I do not believe, but that does not mean that it does not contain relevant information.

For example, I believe the way an invasion would go down would be similar to the sci-fi show First Wave. Why? You ask.

First you come upon a race that has rather quickly evolved up the food chain to where we now have weapons of nuclear capability, we are harnessing light for weapons, have travelled to space and so on...

The first thing any invading or defending group needs to do or should do is gather intelligence. The more the better.

Second we be prepping the group for invasion

Finally, would be the invasion and fairly easy conquest if steps 1 and 2 were completed properly.

Why bother? One of the main goals of any war/invasion is to obtain real estate. Now, if this real estate is unusable then the confict is of no use to you. Or to those who may survive.

So, if you can minimize the destruction to the land you seek (planet) then you have attained your goal of expansion. Especially if you need the resources.

If that is the case why not have done it 10 or 20 thousand years ago (first reported sightings) at the time we may have appeared as inconsequential. Then they saw how fast we progressed and now they be interested.

My dog has one of those chips - right between the shoulder blades. although it needs no power, it is really more like a coil and resonates at a given frequency.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's say we all get these chips. obviously this doesn't help us none - hot damn! but how is it exactly that it helps THE MAN again?

and since we are talking about a god, and we also are talking about aliens - why is that they are always seen ass being similar to humans? god is supposed to look like man - why? why not like rats? there are far more of them.
and why do all alien sightings say that they have two arms and two legs - a head on top of shoulders... we really aren't all that creative as a species - I mean these things could look like anything, and we choose distorted versions of ourselves... come on.

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[b]You know, I hate it when almost all possible evidence points to the Bible, and then everyone's going EVERYTHING IS TRUE EXCEPT THAT BOOK, and then scurry on to find another explanation, one to fit THEIR beliefs (or lack thereof)

hey - just for fun, Future One, could you humor me and list... like 2 things that point to the Bible being the ulitimate truth? you say all possible evidence points to it... but I'm such a moron, I can't even think of one thing... can you help me out here? 2 things?

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Ok sure, The Bible talks about Israel getting their land back, which did happen in 1949.

The book of Job mentions the Earth as being round, and suspended by nothing, a pretty accurate description considering that book is 4000 years old.

There is quite a lot of imagery in the book of Revelation about things that are happening now, a 3rd of the driking water being contaminated. Take the 4 horsemen, which have the power to kill by war, famine, and pestilence. Take a look at the world today, hunger will only get worse, war will only get worse, pestilence, don't even ask about that, we're supposed to have become very advanced, yet millions of diseases, mutations, superbugs are winning the war.

Secondly, who would be interested in conditioning the public to accept this? You will no doubt answer that it will prevent panic and worldwide chaos. Doubtful. No matter how much conditioning we have, if some giant discs flew out of the sky and started blasting everything, I doubt people would sit around and say, "well, this was to be expected." No, they will be screaming, panicking, and the morons will be looting. So, who's interested in conditioning us? The government? If certain people in government actually had communication with aliens, then they could either a)benefit from newfound knowledge, or b)compromise their existence. In other words, we could learn from them or beg them to allow us to live. Either way, if you knew that our alien friends were going to basically one day take everything from us, would you want to let the secret out? Especially if you had negotiated with the aliens to keep them a secret until their work was done? I don't think so. You're going to keep your mouth shut knowing that you'll come out alive when everyone else is being blasted. On the other side of the coin, would you want to share knowledge that wasn't of this earth? What if they told you how they travelled through time. Would you really want to tell everybody, "hey, aliens are here and they are going to teach us how to travel through time!" I don't think so. Can you imagine what this information would be worth? Nobody would be interested in sharing it if they knew it.

Just some thoughts Chesty. Although I don't agree with you, I think you make some valid points.

The book of Job mentions the Earth as being round, and suspended by nothing, a pretty accurate description considering that book is 4000 years old.

Hmm, I'm not that well versed in the book of Job, so I went and read it. As for being suspended by nothing, I found a line that read "26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing." - but I'm not entirely convinced that is in reference to the planet itself - in that book, most of the references to earth are just to the ground or chunks of it. I got lazy after finding that quote about 3/4 of the way through it and hadn't seen where it was shown to be round - so if you know what that one is, feel free to let me know (here is an online version http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/job.htm). even the round thing might actually be ther, I'm not saying it isn't - there are many textbooks out there that point out that it is a fallacy that most people thought the world flat - it was a minority at the time, and they were considered cookoo. it just makes all the stories more fun if we say that columbus defied them all and sailed off to what they saw as certain doom.

There is quite a lot of imagery in the book of Revelation about things that are happening now, a 3rd of the driking water being contaminated. Take the 4 horsemen, which have the power to kill by war, famine, and pestilence. Take a look at the world today, hunger will only get worse, war will only get worse, pestilence, don't even ask about that, we're supposed to have become very advanced, yet millions of diseases, mutations, superbugs are winning the war.

That is an excellent way of debating - you state X, and they immediately follow it by "don't even ask about X" - saves you the trouble of all those annoying questions.
So you feel that we have more bugs and disease than back when the bible was written? and superbugs? somebody has been reading Time in the past few months - I'll have to ask my uncle what he thinks on this - he works at the CDC in Georgia (he is the go to guy if there is an ebola outbreak) - it seems he'd be concerned if we had all these disease problems you speak of. I'm not denying that we have aids and all that stuff - I'm not even denying that it is a problem - but you should consider that we have wiped out or found a cure for most of the diseases out there and that compared to the time when the bible was written, we are good to go - hell, we don't even get the plague any more. as for war and hunger, those can go hand in hand. I won't disagree with you that there is lots of war and hunger - it is a fact of life that as long as there are people on this earth, they will be fighting about something, and they will need to eat. but is the bible some amazing book for noting that in the future we will still have such problems? not in my opinion.

Even if you don't believe in the Bible you can't just dississ it either...
Why is that again? (that I can't disiss it?)
I am willin gto listen to your arguements, but I am seeing flawed logic all over the place, and I have trouble with that. scientific method and reasoning are great ways to make points - psychic predictions are less so.

obviously you are set in believing one thing, and I'm obviously set in another and we aren't going to sway each other. but I'd like to point out that I'm looking at the points you are raising and giving reasoned answers back - whereas you are making statements based on a book that has been passed down through years and years, translated over and over again - so there is so much room for error that even if it does "predict" something, is that what the original writing meant?

Ezekial gives a perfect description of an alien encounter. If you read it with an open mind you will see what I am talking about.

Now imagine you are an early human, the most unusual thing you have seen is lightning. Given your technical knowledge and skills of the time, if an advanced race either humans from the future or aliens in general decided to land and you witnessed it how would you descrbe it? Certainly based on you level of knowledge and known references.

Suppose now that I decide to talk to you. I would have to find a way to describe what I know in terms you can understand. Try to exlain helicopter or tv to someone of that era.

Now, I describe to you how the earth is round, in space,and suspended by nothing. I explain to you how the earth was made and so on. But I do it in terms that you can understand.

All of those events could be taken as being divine.

Why do alien descriptions look like us. Now given that life can be carbon based, silicon based, methane based and so on, what sets us apart from other creatures besides our ability to reason? It is our thumbs, (sounds silly) try to hold a pencil, pick up a glass, turn a screwdriver. All but impossible or at the very least extremely difficult.

If we look at how we evolved over time, we did so for specific reasons. We adapted to our environment, we excelled at survivability and so on till we at the modern man.

Given this, it is quite possible that other races would evolve similarily. They may not be as tall or strong (maybe stronger) The gravitational fields if any they developed in can account for certain traits (short and stocky or tall and lanky) Most likely, a race that travls into space would be similar to us in many ways.

Why condition us? Suppose my ultimate goal is to enslave the race. As I stated earlier an undamaged earth is worth more than a damaged one. Again, I reiterate that just because you can go from one side of the galaxy to the other does not mean that you can fight. Even if you could we can put up a hell of a resistance and win.

To condition you makes you more susceptible to the lies they would be bring. Hence, congquer you without killing you. On the other hand they may be doing this to help us with the reality that others exist. They may mean no harm and want to be friends. But then again....

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Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come.

"I want to believe"

This strikes me as strange too. If there is a God as described in the Bible, then is it all that unreasonable to believe that we aren't the only species that he has created in the ENTIRE universe? C'mon now. Or, do creatures billions of light years away have another God, different from ours? For us to expect that there isn't anything else in the hundreds of billions of galaxies out there, well, is naive.

Chesty, I totally agree with what you say. I can ask questions that just turn Bible-boys faces deep red. They are logical questions and questions of reason, but they hate me for asking them. I am supposed to blindly accept whatever is spoonfed to me, just like they did.

But the evidence is enough and the statement by Carl Sagan, is to paraphrase what he said in his book "Contact". What a waste of space to only have us" or something like it.

I cannot reason this feeling away. I know there is something going on but it is only a
matter of time. The Truth is out there, it is up to us to find it.

Don't try believe the media as they are part of this. They don't want to rock the boat either.

This is quite plausible and is happening no doubt as the conspirators themselves suprisingly are pretty open about it.

I am spiritual person, and wouldn't call myself a religous person...I believe that God gave us the ability to find the answers to the questions we seek. I also believe you can believe in science and religion. Ever notice how some of the early scientists were men of the Clergy? As for my theory how we are here today I tend to take the clock maker theory and believe God started the chain of events that has led us to where we are today. No I'm not saying it was predestined fate, because I think everyman and woman has the ability to affect his/her future by making their own decessions.

I for one don't believe in god because according to the bible I have only two choices. Either follow and believe (go to heaven) or don't believe or not follow (go to hell) To me that is fate as a two-edged sword. Since I do not believe in fate, I do not believe in god.

Try this one on for size. Suppose you were an advanced race (I mean very advanced) You clone a couple of people like you except that you put them on a distant planet and let them learn on their own. You give them enough knowledge to survive except with a nudge here and there. You then explain to them in a primitive concept their creation. This continues off and on over time. Could end up with modern christianity.

Or, as in 2001 space odyssey you influence evolution with a slight nudge in one direction and then let it go on its own.

Religion/faith ever since recorded history and before, man has been trying to answer the one question that cannot be answered, What happens when we die? Since man instinctively hates not having an answer he invents god and heaven. The greeks/Romans and such did so to explain the seasons, thunder, lightening, rain, wind and so on with numerous other gods. So to me, god is an answer that trys to comfort man in his quest for the answer to the only unanswerable question: What happens when we die.

Science is alot like religion. It requires a certain amount of faith. Just as in the movie Contact, when Jodi Foster was being grilled by the senate, she was asked why they should believe her, and she wanted so desparately to say you have to have faith and when they asked her why she believed it even though she had no evidence, again she could not say what she knew to be the truth. It was her faith and belief that she did make the trip. The movie, Carl Sagaan was trying to convey this concept I believe. That as a scientist, science is not enough. Science without faith is cold and empty.

So, yes, I believe in science and I have faith, just not for a god.

PS, I have been to the new Denver airport and crawled over every square inch and my friend took about 10 rolls of film. We could not find anything unusual about it, except for some strange wall paintings in the tram tunnels and the very strange modern architecture.

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MDGUY: I see you are a student of the New World Order theories.

This is quite plausible and is happening no doubt as the conspirators themselves suprisingly are pretty open about it.

I believe that alien life-forms are visiting the earth however, but your side has quite a strong argument as well.

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Yes, I actually hope that there are aliens and I tend to believe a few of the close encounter sightings are credible but having science background, I must rationally say to myself that there is no proof as of yet even though my gut feeling says and hopes they exist. Some of the credible UFO sightings only have the crafts measuring 4 ft high, which would mean that it was remotely operated, flown by an army of midgets, or aliens-these and all of the cattle mutilation shit gives credible ammunition to your opinion.
I always have had an interest in UFOs, NWO, offbeat science, but it hard hard to find the facts through the bullshit. There are so many charlatans out there making up shit and scaring people to try to make a buck. The only thing I know is that the USA is going in the wrong direction and national sovereignty abating while a worldwide collaboration via the UN is promoted. Our government is just like any other government/ political system at any time in our history; its full of corrupt, power hungry, assholes that lie and deceive the masses for their own well-being.
What authors do you find yourself believing?

BTW to the person that mentioned William Cooper: He is an interesting person to listen to, albeit controversial to say the least. He has a program on shortwave radio anybody can pick up.