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maxtor

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posted February 17, 2001 01:49 AM

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I was just skipping channels and came across this barbra walters special...and well what they were talking about was human cloning and how there is this company in the states that is ready to start cloning humans. They have scientists and everything! They even have women willing to carry these clones in their bodies. What got me is that there are no laws in the states against human cloning (atleast not yet) It is illegal only in 5 states!

The company is headed by some freak scientist by the name of RAEL who is the founder of a religious organization.

They say that they would help infertile couples and people who have lost loved ones!!
This one guy even wanted to clone his DYING MOTHER!!He wanted to see her have a succesful life! You can get this done for $200 000.00 !!!!

I just wanted to know how people feel about this? The company is called Clonaid.com

For more info goto www.clonaid.com

Oh yeah, they are expecting their first clone in march!!!


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chesty

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posted February 17, 2001 02:35 AM

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No problem here. Till they can start cloning a full grown human in a few weeks we got nothing to worry about.

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thefantom1

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posted February 17, 2001 05:06 AM

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Imagine a small child who for some unknown reason is killed (hit by a car..which I have seen and was the most horrible thing I have ever witnessed personaly...the child was 3 years old....) and then being able to "go back" and have the child "brought back"?? I don't think that there is a parent here that would object to that....

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scott825

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posted February 17, 2001 06:19 AM

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I believe that humans have already been cloned.I think cloning could be a good thing.
I would love to see ARNOLD get cloned.Imagine
at this day & age a genetic freak such as ARNOLD in todays bodybuilding world.With all
the knowledge & chemistry today or the future
it would be freaky.

I would also like to see some other sports
greats like John Elway,Joe Montanna,Michael
Jordon & Larry Bird get cloned,imagine that.

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maxtor

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posted February 17, 2001 10:30 AM

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I agree with bringing a child back thought somewhat, its just that it is so easy to get somoenes strand of hair without their permission and clone that person.

Also it doesnt seem right. If your going to die, your gonna die. Messing with the guy upstairs is somewhat weird I think.


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JohnnyO

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posted February 17, 2001 10:34 AM

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RAEL is insane! He's the one that wants to clone Jesus from blood on the Shroud.


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted February 17, 2001 10:52 AM

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Maxtor,

Cloning and individual will not result in an identical copy. Although the genetic makeup will be the same, there are differences, such as expression and repression of genes which will vary.

Additionally, much of what a person is, is defined by their exeriences, therefore, no two will ever be the same.

The "small child dying" example is the most analogous to a true clone, because the younger they are, the less they have experienced, therefore, the greater the role of genetics. Still, it would not be a true "do-over." It is another baby.

The TRUE science wizardy would be in locating the area of the brain where memories are stored, and being able to transplant or replicate that. Then we could truly live forever.

The second form of mega-science would be to locate the gene that controls aging, so the aging prcess can be accelerated (to have the baby become the age of the lost child), and then stopped later on.

Nature has been cloning people (twins) since the dawn of life. Big deal that we do it now.

Far greater achievements include mastery of electricity and nuclear energy.

As it is now, science knows nothing about the brain. What causes dreams? Where are emotions located? Where is memory? Answer these and we can see some life changing breakthroughs.


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CrazyThug

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posted February 17, 2001 11:55 AM

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1. Order me a new liver and two new kidneys.

2. Technology is always ahead of the law.

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sxjunky

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posted February 17, 2001 12:44 PM

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You can't trust a guy with a name like RAEL!!! HE's got mad scientist written all over him.

On another note, you can only clone from live DNA, so we won't be cloning Christ until he comes back.


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HappyScrappy

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posted February 17, 2001 01:10 PM

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Well, that and the shroud has been proven about 3 different times now to be a fake that was done I think in the 18th centruy (it might have been the one prior).

And I was going to point out my biggest pet peeve with this cloning stuff, but Matt beat me to it - the person will look the same and all, but they haven't lived through all the same experiences, so mentally they are a very different person. they are coming into life with a blank hard drive so to speak.

and they have found how our cells age, but they don't know how to stop it. if I recall correctly, there is a "tail" off one part of the dna and parts of this tail fall off with cell turnover - once the tail is gone, no more cell turnover, so you don't get the new ones... that is probably the worst description I've ever written
I'll have to look around through the magazines here, I have it somewhere - they have a good description of it...

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Mr H

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posted February 18, 2001 06:48 PM

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Rael looks like he'll be the next to have people follow him ala Heavens Gate.


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The Varnsen

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posted February 18, 2001 07:33 PM

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If he�s a leader of a religious group beware because those guys are the worst...


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Grotto

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posted February 19, 2001 11:52 AM

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If your organs are gone and you clone yourself,
don't ya have to kill your clone to get at the
organs. Or are clones not considered lifeforms?
Grotto


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Zebo

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posted February 19, 2001 12:31 PM

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Mr. H...I was thinking the same exact thing!
hehe

He's got that 20 yard stare in a 10 yard room.

His outift was a little goofy.


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sxjunky

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posted February 19, 2001 08:53 PM

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they need to quit fucking around and start cloning hot nypho whores and be done with it.


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daised

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posted February 19, 2001 08:55 PM

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actually this is what i would like to go into, and am studying for.- no problems here.


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