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goleafs

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posted January 30, 2001 01:07 AM

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don't you feel weak?????shooting an un-armed animal from several hundred feet doesn't make much of a sport. I'd bet you'd feel a whole lot tougher if you tried to kill em with a knife...imagine stalkining a five hundred pound buck with nothing but a blade??? now that's sport. guns are for the lazy people.


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posted January 30, 2001 01:20 AM

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I hunt just with dogs and a knife, very rarely have to use my rifle, not that it bothers me to use it though.


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posted January 30, 2001 01:27 AM

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goleafs,

Five hundred pound buck???? Show me one!! Your obviously one of those PITA people right. I want to hear you when you hit a deer with your car and cause thousands of dollars in damage. You'll be mother fucking that deer up and down.


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Dread Lord Good Guy

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posted January 30, 2001 01:30 AM

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Do you believe we should hunt with a knife, because we as humans no longer need the aid of firearms to prosper?

Or do you believe we should not hunt animals to begin with?


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goleafs

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pita..?...? i believe its PETA..and no , I'm not. I just thought i'd raise the question of actual hand to hand in the hunt. like the cavemen. you think they had guns. like i said guns are for lazy people.


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posted January 30, 2001 01:31 AM

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he is just a fucking troll

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posted January 30, 2001 01:32 AM

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a troll who would love to see you act so tough without your firearms


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posted January 30, 2001 01:37 AM

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goleafs,
Do you eat meat?, do you go and kill it yourself? or do you just walk into the store and buy it? who's lazier the guy who goes out and hunts for some meat or the guy that walks into a store and buys it?
What if you do get close enough to stab a deer but after you stab it, it runs off and bleeds for 3 days before it dies, or you could just shoot it and end its life quickly.

(I dont hunt, but I don't really have a probelm with, however this topic could have been brought up in a more civilized manor)

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Dread Lord Good Guy

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Guns are the mark of progress a continued step towards the human technological evolution. Do we need to hunt animals with firearms in order to feed the world, no. This is now done out of sport, at least in America.

Clearly, if man can hunt responsibly and treat the environment with due respect there is no cause for alarm with the sport of hunting. On the other side, if man endangers the ecosystem by hunting animals out of existence there is cause for alarm.

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posted January 30, 2001 01:41 AM

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pita..?...? i believe its PETA..and no , I'm not. I just thought i'd raise the question of actual hand to hand in the hunt. like the cavemen. you think they had guns. like i said guns are for lazy people.

no, you are definitely a PITA

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posted January 30, 2001 01:44 AM

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i was just watching some show on hunting and truthfully it made me sick. yes , i do eat meat , but your argument is bullshit as those animals are born and bred on farms whereas people who hunt go into an animals natural habitat and kill them.
consider this...a bear comes into a mountain town and kills two kids because it is "hunting". that bear is instantly shot. ( a bear coming into a humans habitat). a human goes into a bears habitat and guns it down. his buddies buy him a beer for the best shot of the day. I think its sick , but then i dont expect anyone to agree.


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yes they are born on farms- born on a farm where they never have a chance to live free as opposed to one in the wild that does have a chance.
I agree with Dread Lord Good Guy, if the hunting is done in a humane way I have no problem with it. It does however make me sick when someone will hunt endangred animals. Like the guys that kill the gorillas, take the hands, and leave the rest of it.


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people who hunt?? yea
they are called REDNECKS...
usually those mullet sporting freaks
with cutoffs, driving 88 camaros,
w/ a dice in the mirror, blasting Travis
Tritt and having over 5 grand in their
glove compartment of unpaid parking and speeding tickets going home to their
3 cousin wives and cookin up roadkill and
removin the wheels off tehir trailor homes.
that pretty much sums it up. hhheeeeee haaawwwww, HUNTING bites big time llama anus!

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goleafs

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posted January 30, 2001 01:54 AM

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how eloquently put...CAN I GET A WITNESS?


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IOWA BEEF

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posted January 30, 2001 03:09 AM

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The people that hunt animals on farms you see on t.v. are mostly from the city and dont have a clue about hunting in the frist place. Thats why they go to a farm a shoot tame animals. LOSERS
So why do you even care if people hunt is it hurting you no, its not.
As being the highest on the food chain its my right to kill and hunt animals.
Maybe you should try bow hunting sometime you shure as hell wouldnt find it easy. I bet you wouldnt even be smart enough to get a big buck close enough to get a shot at let alone hit one with an arrow.


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posted January 30, 2001 07:23 AM

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Hunting is awesome. Nothing like the rush right before you pull the trigger.


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Hunters play an important part in controlling the population of the deer herds. Without hunting The deer will eventually starve due to the lack of adequate foraging land. This decimation of their habitat is linked directly to what we consider progress.
I am a hunter and I am proud of the fact that the money that I pay for license fees goes directly to the preservation of the animals I enjoy to watch with my daughters during the summer and eat in the winter.
I also raise cattle, these animals are the same type of hooved animals that we hunt only we control exactly when they are killed (with a gun by the way) and they dont have a chance to die a natural death. What is more humane?
Responsible hunters are usually more concerned with the enviornment than anti's. The majority of us typically donate to several organizations that are responsible for preserving the habitat of the animals we enjoy to hunt.
Hunting is a great way to get out and enjoy nature, it also makes one more aware of how precious it truly is.


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posted January 30, 2001 09:18 AM

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Although I don't hunt and never plan to, I don't have a problem with someone shooting a deer for food. If they are shooting it for sheer sport and are'nt planning on eating it, well, I think it is a waste of an increddibly strong and powerful animal who never stood a chance especially due to the fact that it never even knew it was being hunted. As for the sport of hunting, I have a hard time grasping it simply becuase of the fact that one of the contestants does'nt even know it's playing...


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OK, so you think (and I use the word think very liberally in your case) that animals - especially the deer population - have the same rights as humans? I am proud to be a hunter and take pride in the fact that I am thinning out the population. Without control you would see something worse than a deer on the hood of your car - you would see deer that are grossly underweight and dying from lack of food. Have you ever seen that? Have you ever seen a baby doe bleeting for it's mother to come find it - only to see the mother dead about 20 feet away? Ever resue one of these babies and hand raise it? No, you sit behind your little computer screen and fire off posts - I bet the last time your ass saw the outside world was when you went to buy a porno and some lotion to jack off. Hunter have rights, if you don't like that little fact then pack your fucking bags and move to Russia. I'd gladly meet you - face to face - no weapons and beat the living shit out of you. Better yet, meet me during deer season when I have my bow drawn - nah, you're an out of shape asshole - and there's no tenderizer on earth that can make that taste good.

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holy shit lay off the testosterone, Heather Darling. listen to yourself.

hunting is a weak sport. nothing those deer can do about getting shot and i back Thick Dog's point about them not even knowing they are being hunted. go kill them with your bare hands, that's a sport. not sitting in a fucking tree waiting for an animal to walk by so you can shoot and it feel proud of yourself because it had no idea you were waiting for it.


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First, where do you think those Burger King and McDonald's patties come from?, Where do the steaks at the store and restaraunt come from?

As for the bear story, bears avoid humans as much as possible, but when we have prevented hunting of animals, such as bear, deer, antelope and so on, there is overpopulation of the animals and they go looking for food anywhere they can get it. Bears would rather forage in trash cans than eat humans, but when you are starving anything goes.

In California where they have all but ended mountain lion and bear hunting among some, the number of attacks on humans by these animals have gone up.

I would like to see what you would do when faced with a crisis and no food is available and you just can't go to the local store and by hamburger or tuna. What then? Are you going to allow yourself to starve to death? Are you going to fight fairly with the deer using your hands and a knife only? I think not. You will use every conceivable adavantage to survive, including killing the deer or cows for meat.

2000 years ago you would be saying it was unfair to hunt with spears and bows, what before that? Wake up and smell your capuccino or espresso.

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Latimer i used to hunt until i found a few underground fighing areas now that a RUSH when you feel and hear bone crushing in the guys face.

If people want to hunt let them as long as they follow the rules and regulations.

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quote:
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i was just watching some show on hunting and truthfully it made me sick. yes , i do eat meat , but your argument is bullshit as those animals are born and bred on farms whereas people who hunt go into an animals natural habitat and kill them.
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Being the little hippie that I am...I used to be a vegetarian....

GOLEAF...have you ever visited an industrial farm recently? Its not like little house on the prarie dear....animals in cages where the can't even turn around, some can't even stand up their entire life, standing in excrement...then slaughtered.

Do you know the technigue of slaughtering? Well its not kill the quick animal....no...its how can we get it to die and still retreive the total possible meat...they are left to bleed to death a very slow painful death.

I'd much rather kill an animla in its natural habitit, where it was givent the ability to run , live, verses hold an infant in a small cage its entire life, not allowing them any life... then kill it

So when asked which method is the more human.....hands down hunting!!!!

P.S. Go visit a industrial farm and slaughter house, I'd put up money you view change


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posted January 30, 2001 10:28 AM

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P.P.S. GOLEAF...have you ever seen a dear that died from starvation?....hunting is regulated to control over popluation as well...


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posted January 30, 2001 10:37 AM

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i still dont see the point.


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posted January 30, 2001 10:41 AM

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Is it deer overpopulation or is it people moving into deer populated areas and then bitching about the deer? i am sure that deers would try to avoid humans as much as possible but sometimes they have no choice when there is no where else to go. I know I try to avoid other humans as much possible. I don't think there is a more savage creature this earth as ever seen then the human race.

Also like to note from what I learned from my biology teacher, humans are totally useless to the ecological cycle.

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I catch wild hogs with my hands. Now that is sport. I like to deer hunt to. Venison is an excellent source of protien and low fat.

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posted January 30, 2001 10:53 AM

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GO LEAF...Have you ever gone fishing?

Asking what is the point, beyond the obvious obtaining food, etc, in a more humane way, some people find enjoyment in it.


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if you're going to argue the point of our slaughter houses being not too animal friendly, it's not a pleasant thought but we all need to eat and so i accept that. my point is, is that we don't need to go out and start killing these animals for fun on top of that. if you're eating them, great, but if you're just killing them so you can mount them and put them on your wall i think that's cruel and pointless.


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I think you would find that 90% of hunters or more hunt for the food. In fact some hunters donate there kill to orpangages and other organizations to help feed the hungry.

Goleafs, why can't you discuss your topic. You have said nothing really in support of your position.

I believe your biology teacher would change her mind or his if he were to suddenly be faced with extermination. I think she/he has watch the Matrix too much.

Watch Soylant Green ( I think that is how it is spelled) It will let you see what will happen when we no longer have food available either through grean peace and other so called humanitarian organizations or because it is no longer exists.

In short people who were dying or wanted to die were made into green saltines and passed out to the hungry.

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Personally I don't know a hunter who kills without using the meat....

...those that kill and leave it behind without tagging it and reporting aren't they succesible to being charged with poaching and fined?

GOLEAF...a page for you http://www.biopoint.com/WebQuests/NN/Day23.html


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Here you go. I don't pay others to do the dirty work for me.

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Yes Shags...if you leave an animal behind or you dont use the meat at all...im pretty sure thats illegal.

Aslo, the animals know they're being hunted....its kill or be killed in the woods aint it?

also like some others pointed out already, the animals that are raised on farms and killed die a slow horrible death! At least with hunting....its quick and painless.

Ive been hunting for the past year and a half...and Id recomend it to anyone. You'll never have more of a rush, or better food for that matter

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What a great deal of athletic ability hunting requires...


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It does, try hiking 7 miles in the mountains, shooting an elk and carrying out the elk quarters out on your back, taking 4 trips, when they weigh 80 pounds. I could walk 90% of bodybuilders into the ground. It takes a deep down stamina to hunt the rockies everyday, on minimal sleep and food.

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You tell 'em MP5......you gonna take me hunting when I come to Colorado to visit my friend there?

Beside the physical stamina...the skill in tracking...its all very intriguing to me...never done it, don't know if I'll like it, but just curious to try it...


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Okay, as far as I am concerned hunt all you want as long as you are not after my cat.

But, pUlease, for the love of god, do not use population control as a justification.

If humans hadn't exterminated the deer�s natural predators and paved their environment, there wouldn't be overpopulation when WE stopped hunting.

Now, that being said, it amazes me that all other species killing and eating each other is seen as natural. Forest fires wiping out species is seen as natural. A comet ending the dinosaurs is natural. For some reason, whenever humans do anything, it is seen as unnatural.

then again, who gives a fuck, just stay away from Moca Boca with your shotguns and shit. 'kay????

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Well damn, I must be doing something wrong. I can bench press double bodyweight, have ran 40 yards in under 4.5 seconds and vertical leaped 36+ inches when being tested for football in college, and have won many 100 meter dashes in high school and can dunk a basketball with 2 hands with ease and I'm a lousy hunter!

(Not sure if any of that means anything, just felt like boasting about my athletic talents)


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Thick...you should know that just because your in great shape for one sport does not neccesary make you in great shape for a different sport.....

Example...I run long distance for endurance like the dickens...but when I tried cross country skiing it it kicked my tooshie

ALso I sure your familiar with cross training


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there is nothing like getting a nice buck in ur crosshairs for the wonderful hear shot.. awww what a rush... and saying that beef raise for slaughter are different then deer.. well kind of.. that beef when he is being raised thinks thats his natural environment.. until they kill him.. most places to hunt.. have strict regulations on how much u can take... and besides.. those dear are usually there to kill.. no worries.. its a sport.. its fun.. and it takes skill!!!!


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Hunting requires endurance. I'm good at sports in which it helps if your strong and fast, such as football. I also was a good baseball player, as far as basketball goes, I don't have much in the skill department, but can throw down some nasty dunks.


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Population control is a large part of how the number of deer or whatever animal is allowed to be killed each year. Yes, we have encrouched upon their territory, and at times have unbalanced the course of things. But we have done what we can to help maintain a balance between the different animal species and us (animals too) Game and Fish just doesn't decide this year that only 1000 deer can be killed and next year only 500. They do a lot of studying and then some to try to figure out the best number that should be allowed.

If you want a challenge, try taking a deer at 1000 yards. But before you try that you better have at least a 300 winmag, 12X or greater scope and a lot of practice and then some. For me, that is the distance I hunt at unless using a bow or the terrain prevents that kind of shot.

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I like hunting...Though I have never killed a deer I welcome the day I do...

Personally I don't look at is as a sport but rather stalking a living creature with a piece of weaponary that allows me to take it's life. Plane and simple I enjoy taking the life from that creature and rejoycing by eating it.

Personally I don't have the qualms about killing any sort of animal...or how you kill it. When I went to school in West Texas I went out some nights and helped friends shoot wild cats who were near their flocks of sheep, and yes we did leave them their after we shot them.

The Reason being, there was some sort of Gaming law that requires those farmers to leave the pests/nusiance be after killing or face some hefty fines if they pick them up or attempt to burry them.

Sometimes we were able to scare them away by firing a round in the air, but usually that didn't get the job done. Setting traps worked also but they had to not injure the animal or were more expensive then bullets and brought more trouble getting the game wardens involved

I personally would have like to have made some gloves or something out of them and used them for something productive.


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In the movie Predator was it ok for the alien creature to hunt humans for sport? Let's say he did so and used the human meat to feed another animal, is it still ok? Let's say he hunted humans for sport and ate the meat so it wouldn't go to waste, is it ok now?


As for my teacher he has a Master's Degree from Columbia and I don't think he ever saw the movie Matrix. Besides he made his statement 8 some years ago.

Sometimes the truth is ugly.

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it's called survival of the fitest...Right now we are on top of the food chain...Something else comes along to try and bump us off then so be it, but I bet all of those who hate guns and hate killing will be whistling a different tune if and when the human race lives to see that day. Unlike other creatures we have a certain level of intellect that allows us to dominate other species and gives us the ability to create weapons that will allow us to try our damn hardest to stay on top of the chain.

I choose to live with that simple philosphy, and make that my reality

And how ironic it was that at the end of those movies a human killed them


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not too ironic, because humans are the ones who are making the movie.

And will you be preaching survival of the fittest if it does happen?


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Leaf, you going to stop eating chicken? There caged 80% of their life and then killed. They don't even get the chance to run.

PS I nolonger hunt, but when I did I did not use a scope, because I thought that was cheating. We all have our own ideas.


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Also forgot one thing. There was a place a couple of years ago in AR. state parks where the deer were starving do death of hunger from over population. Now what do you to there Leaf? They opened up deer season at the end of summer to trim the pop so they would not starve to death. That seems humane to me.


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In Alabama, we have more Deer per square mile than any state in the union. if Deer were not allowed to be hunted here it would be a mess.they would starve and end up being driven into the cities looking for food where they would be constantly getting slammed by vehicles. i am a hunter but kill only enough to fill the freezer. after that, i will only hunt BIG BUCKS, which does require constant scouting and planning. it is not just a wait and shoot like many people think unless the deer are accustomed to feeders like many tv hunting shows have.


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quote:
Originally posted by fistfullofsteel:
[B]In the movie Predator was it ok for the alien creature to hunt humans for sport? Let's say he did so and used the human meat to feed another animal, is it still ok? Let's say he hunted humans for sport and ate the meat so it wouldn't go to waste, is it ok now?

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YES!!! I'm all for it!!! The overpopulation of humans is outta control. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start in South Florida!!!!


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Sure, I would be for something like predator. In fact I welcome it. Man is driven by challange and survival. That is how we define ourselves. And to date, we are not doing a good job of defining ourselve's. We think we are the shit, and unfortunately we will find out that we are not.


So, he has a master's degree. I have a Bachelor's and a couple of minors How does that make us qualified to speak about hunting?

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I was referring to the statement, "humans are useless to the ecological cycle."


I wonder if you will be ok with it when the alien creature is coming after your ass and you don't have a snow ball chance in hell of living.


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quote:
Originally posted by fistfullofsteel:
"humans are useless to the ecological cycle."
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Whatever....have you ever taken an ecology class...we have a huge impact on ecological evolution...sure we usually disrupt it a great deal...but impact none the less....that does effect the evolution of ecological habitates.....EASY example..the ocean...coral reef ecological systems...the examples are endless...rainforest ecology...


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we sure do have a huge impact of fucking everything up.


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So do the deer when overpopulated, so do bear, so do mountain lion and so forth, we have as much right to be here as the rest of the animal kingdom. We are animals just like the others, we eat, kill, shit, fuck, think and so on.

I would welcome the challenge of survival against an alien race. Bring it on!

How about a 5 mile wide asteroid/comet that whacks the earth at 25,000 miles an hour. Yep boys that will fuck things up much more than we mere mortals ever could.

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well its change...good or bad...depends on what perspective your comming from...Americans consume the most of any country for a variety of natural resources, yet we are no where near the poluation of other contries.....over population is the main cuplrite for increasing destruction and depleation of ecological revenues

However, do you wanna give up driving your car to work and take the bus?...do you want to drive a honda civic verses a truck because it gets better gas mileage....do you want to not have any kids......

Increase demands put on a static resource... change must occur , or the demands will not be met


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The term here is useless. Screwing everything up makes us even more so.


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Unlike a comet, we can control our actions.

I bet also it would be different story if the alien was hunting you down and the only thing you could do is run and hide, but since it would have superior technology it would eventually find you and kill you.


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The term here is useless. Screwing everything up makes us even more so.

Don't want to argue about words...but our impact is far from useless ...human activity control and dictate the evolution of todays world ecology


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Don't want to argue about words...but our impact is far from useless ...human activity control and dictate the evolution of todays world ecology

None the less we are still useless. The world was doing fine before we got here. The ecological cycle can control and dictate itself, it doesn't need our help.


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fist...for the matter the world will do "fine" without alot of life on this planet....but effects of these creature cause change, hence evolution

but usefulness is being INEFFECTUAL...we have an effect....I'd venture to say the largest of creatures


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Goleafs ---shut up, ya pant load! What do you eat, lettuce?? Wake up smell the coffee!! Of course if you are a hockey guy you probably don't have enough teeth Or brains left to even comprehend that hunting does more for conservation than you sign toting anti's ever will!!!!

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If something runs smoothly on it's own and then we step in and start controlling it and dictating it, that makes us usefull? Sounds pathetic to me. USELESS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. HUMANS ARE USELESS TO THE ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM

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Fist...your amazing debate skills of providing arguement to back up your point...now thats useless...


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Did someone's feeling get hurt? It's ok, your egocentric illusion will see you through it.


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Fist....sugar baby....I'm not egocentric...I just like a good counter argument....come on little bowl of steel.. ...I know if you put that big muscle to work you can give me some good arguments sweety


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how can i? everytime i make a point, you miss the point. you should give your little muscle a rest.


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fist...ok...a point would be to give me an example where humans are useless to ecological evolution....

Main Entry: use�less
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: having or being of no use: a : INEFFECTUAL

I provided points to where humans are useful to ecological evolution...their activites provide change which spur evolution of the ecological habitate they effect......their effect are useful in creating ecological evolution....however you see it good or bad...its evolution none the less....

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useless: (from Funk & Wagnall Standard Desk Dictionary) being of no use; not capable of serving any benefical purpose. 2.Futile; in vain.

useful: serving a use or purpose, especially a valuable one.

We wipe out all human life and undo all the damages or things that can cause demage that we created, life on this planet still goes on.


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And if I undo all the damage the predators of this world have done (non-human ones) then all we be well. How do you measure useless? Useless to whom? or to what? Humans no more happened on this planet than a single celled organism did.

Why are we useless? Yes we destroy, but we build and rebuild, we replensish our natural resources such as trees with replanting and controlled harvesting. We provide habitats that are safe for the animals in the wild and provide research to help prevent there extinction.

Let's look at a couple of furry little seemingly harmless creatures (truly useless ones for the most part) A prairie dog and a bunny rabbit. We could even lump little white mice in there. Without the snake or natural predators these little creatures would multiply at a geometric rate and destroy all within its domain and they wouldn't give a shit at all. It just so happens that man is the natural predator for every living thing on this planet including man. We have as much right to exist, coexist, dominate or submit as any other creature on this planet. The difference is we are learning what effects we are having upon the environment and are starting to do something about it to assure both our and other earth species continued existence. No other species on this planet takes this proactive course.

As for beign hunted, I have been hunted, as a cop and as a Marine. Again, I would welcome it. In the end I may lose but that is the way of nature and life. Sooner or later we all lose.

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we have producers, consumers, and decomposers. humans are pure consumers hence we have no purpose except to consume.


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love to debate some more, i will be back later.

remember sometimes the truth is ugly.

10% of life is things happening to you, and 90% is how you deal with it. I have no idea who said that, but it's a cool quote


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Me loves to hunt! Me loves deer meat! Me thinks its butt loads of fun! Dont give a fuk if you likes or not, but dont be an idiot.

God created animals for us to feed off of. So eat up.


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This argument really pisses me off. I hunt, I've hunted big game for 10yrs and in that 10 yrs I bagged 1 deer. To the people who think you just walk into the woods and walk up to BAMBI with your fully automatic machine gun and blow off his head, you obviously have no idea what hunting is about. Depending what state your in it can be hard as hell. And for the people who think that you just wait and shoot the poor defenseless animal that dosen't know your there,,, bullshit half of the time these animals know that you are in the area, they can smell you hear you ect. The trick with hunting is trying to fool them or hide yourself to give yourself a chance to be lucky enough to maybe see one come into your sights long enough to take it down. This is easier said than done. You can not control the wind, you can control the rut, and you can't control their instincts.


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quote:
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we have producers, consumers, and decomposers. humans are pure consumers hence we have no purpose except to consume.

yeah ...so...decompossers purpose is decompose....producers purpose is to produce...so all animals are consumers...so they have no purpose but to consume? ...Your a tard

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