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Valdez

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posted December 20, 2000 11:13 PM

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It's my understanding that both should be avoided in large quantities but that margarine is a foriegn chemical to the body that is impossible (or difficult?) to process. Butter on the other hand is recognized and very digestable yet contains alot of saturated fat.

so this is my "proposal":
I like to eat bread lightly buttered for a post workout meal, since fat should be avoided like the plague post workout: use margarine (lightly) on the 4-5 pieces of bread that I usually consume. then follow with a protein shake 25-30 minutes later.

any other time of the day use butter lightly if the need arises??

does anyone have anything to say about this?

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RaginAsian

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posted December 20, 2000 11:28 PM

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Why don't you toast your bread and brush it with olive oil? Curious; why no butter after workout?

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chillin408

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posted December 20, 2000 11:40 PM

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the other day i saw a commerical about some margerine with no trans fat?? i forgot the name , has anyone heard of this ,is this any good or is their things they arent teling us


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Valdez

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posted December 21, 2000 12:05 AM

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toast the bread, NO WAY... olive oil, negative.

I forgot to mention that I lightly butter it and put it in the microwave for 12 seconds to get the bread warm. I can eat each piece in 3 bites, and it's very convenient.
I find that after a workout it's hard for me to eat oatmeal, or potatoes. so bread's good.

the reason you should avoid fat post workout is because thier is an effect similar (lower in strength) to that of insulin: macronutrients will be transfered rapidly into the muscles (protein, carbs), or into fat cells (fat). another good reason is that fat will also slow the digestive process, by eliminating it you will be able to replenish lost glycogen faster. you should consume 80-120 grams of carbs after a workout to replenish glycogen stores. carbs are of the first neccesity over protein post workout. I then follow a protein shake or some meat 30 minutes later.

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HIT Bodybuilder

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posted December 21, 2000 01:24 AM

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I like "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter." It's vegetable oil, it's low in saturated fats, but it has good fats. I prefer it over butter and margarine.

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Iron Ghost

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posted December 21, 2000 08:27 AM

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There's this newish margarine called benecol.It actually helps erradicate bad cholestorol & is good for you generally,so spread away bro.

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Valdez

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posted December 21, 2000 01:21 PM

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thanks guys, I'll look for it.

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liquidplaya

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posted December 26, 2000 12:19 PM

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Butter is better because it contains no hydrogenated vegetable oil.. they thought margarine would be better, but because they have to hydrogenate the oil (so that its a solid), it is a lot worse for you, since hydrogenated vegetable oil is very very bad for you.


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NewMuscles

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posted March 10, 2001 04:20 PM

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Brummles & Brown--part butter, part yogurt and small part veg oil. NO trans-fatty acids.


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BigAndy69

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posted March 10, 2001 04:48 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by liquidplaya:
Butter is better because it contains no hydrogenated vegetable oil.. they thought margarine would be better, but because they have to hydrogenate the oil (so that its a solid), it is a lot worse for you, since hydrogenated vegetable oil is very very bad for you.

This is absolutely right. I've read that it can even block the absorption of nutrients.


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cockdezl

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posted March 10, 2001 05:32 PM

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VAL, both butter and margarine are easily used by the body, yet neither one, taken in high amounts, are healthy. It is true that the PARTIALLY hydrogenated oils contain trans fats, this is not un-natural. Beef contains trans-vaccinic acid, but in small quantities. The problem comes in when one uses ALOT of margarine, then the amounts of trans fats becomes problematic.

Butter, being mainly saturated fats, is problematic because sat. fats decrease insulin sensitivity, and are mainly used for fat storage. But this again is in high amounts.

I like the SMART BALANCE spread, which uses a decent ratio of omega-3/omega-6 oils with no hydrogenation. Plus it is pretty cheap. And polyunsaturated oils (mainly omega-3's) are shown to improve insulin function.


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danielson

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posted March 10, 2001 06:22 PM

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beware of benecol!!

it has natural chemicals (from a tree!) which block the absorbtion of cholesterol or something. but where does all that cholesterol go? in the toilet bowl! it can give you the shits!!! try it but i'd go with an olive oil margerine, or olive oil butter!

while i'm here, why is toast bad! i only ask because i eat lots of lightly toasted brown bread


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danielson

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posted March 12, 2001 08:41 PM

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bump...i just wanna find out why toast is bad.., is it cause of the free radicals caused by toasting, or does the toasting somehow affect the carbs?


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Valdez

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posted March 12, 2001 11:38 PM

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who said that toast is bad? if you were refering to me "toast it, no way!" that's because I'm consuming like 6-7 pieces of bread at a time, in the microwave for 7 seconds and two-three bites for each piece.


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Providian

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posted March 13, 2001 08:06 AM

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Butter's the only way to go-it's more natural as opposed to the chemically altered margarine.


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maxb01

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posted March 13, 2001 04:09 PM

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I thought it was better to get those carbs in liquid form after workout! Because quickly digested, you take full advantage of the window of opportunity and replenish quickly your glycogen stores. I'd heard this drink should contain 3:1 carbs:high BV protein. Then to eat a meal about 1-1.30 h after workout.
Does anybody know different than this?

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danielson

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posted March 13, 2001 10:27 PM

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ohhh, thanx valdez...i was getting worried since i much TONNES of toast on a daily basis...phew


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