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Week 3 Generic Ox Results

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Twitched

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Ox fans,

The spanish generics get my thumbs up here.

I've been doing 40mg/day for 3 weeks total (in 4 now), shooting for 10 weeks.

I'm up 6 pounds, hardness is up a little but I am "bulking" so I may not be optimizing this effect.

Some light acne is popping up unfortunately, but could be a coincidence. Appetite was a disgrace the first week. Very upsetting, but this side went away :-).


The kicker is the strength. It's up a lot. Deadlift is up about 20%. Impressive.

I've included some mid cycle pics.
I've only done EQ+VAR and this var only cycle so far. I am thinking of hitting up a big test+dbol mass builder this summer. I have some back pics I took a little while ago. I am hoping you can veto or approve this idea based on if you think I have a good enough "base" to hit the heavy androgens, or if it flat out looks like I don't work out (as it looks to me in the mirror).

Be easy on me, I'm a mathematics grad student, not a messed-up-myostatin-gene freak of nature. :-D



Relaxed back:
 
I can see that u got a good base and that the muscles are starting to show if u just keep pumping im sure you got the potential to get BIG :D

Keep up the good work :)

Whats youre stats height weight etc.?
 
Keep it up bro. I've had amazing success on ox only cycles. I'm the biggest fan on ox, and have been praising it for a long time. Maximize the effects with your diet and lifting plan/schedule. Push yourself to the fucking limit, disciplin in your diet and aggression in your lifts, otherwise what the point, right? Last summer I was on the best cycle plan ever for ox, posted it a while ago, and I looked like I was carved out of fucking oak.

Keep posting your results, as it only helps everyone else.
 
A 20% increase in deads in 3 weeks is impressive indeed.

It certainly does look like you lift man. I'd say you're borderline for a big mass cycle. I'd personally like to see some more definition first. Arms could use some more mass. Shoulders look good.

--baryon
 
Keep it up bro.
Probably you should think less about bulking and more about adding quality lean mass. Especially with the light AS cycle that your on right now.
 
I think you need a diet adjustment, or you'll never be able to see what the drugs are doing under there...
 
you need to hit the weights a lot harder and for a longer amount of time. No disrespect but dude you need a good base. Steroids are put into the scenario after one has reached his natural potential. And I can tell you that you probably have'nt done that yet. Again no disrespect intended so don't get angry with me. Just telling you about what I went through. I graduated from High school at 6'2'' 170. Now I am lean and 230 so it takes time good food and training H E A V Y........
 
Bigdog I disagree wholeheartedly. Anyone who actually waits to use AS till they hit their genetic limit are ensuring themselves a lifetime of steroid use. No gains can ever be kept long term past your genetic limit so by waiting for this moment you will be on AS for the rest of your life if you want to keep this muscle.

Also when does one truly know his genetic limit. How can you be 100% sure that you won't grow anymore naturally. Maybe tweaking your diet or training will still allow more muscle growth. Everyone plateaus at some point, how could you ever know when it's a true limit. Also this supposed limit would take many years to hit. I see people claim to hit their genetic limit in a few years of training and I laugh because it'd be impossible to do that quickly natural.

I think the only prequisite about steroid use is sufficient age and knowledge. I think 21 is a minimum age to start as you never know when you're done growing. I stopped growing vertically at 10th grade but I was still filling out until I was around 20 years old. As far as knowledge goes this is more important than any theoretical gym experience. I've seen people that have been working out for 10 years who know jack shit about the science of it. In fact most of the people I talk to in the gym really don't have a clue about diet or training and look the same they always have looked like while I've made humungous changes in a much shorter time, even before I touched AS. Some of these were beginner gains but they don't last for long. These people are not good candidates for AS use regardless of their "experience" because they can't even get their natural training or diet in order.

Personally I will be using AS to reach my natural genetic limit faster than normal. I consider it a different means to the same end. As of this point I have no wish to go past my genetic limit purely for the reason that I have no wish to live on AS forever. Once you go past your limit you will always want to go back there and will require drug use forever. You would have a hard time being happy any time you're not on a cycle knowing how big you "could" be and this is the point where I think use[/] turns to abuse.

At any rate keep it up twitched. If there is any AS to start off on I think Ox is the one. I busted my cherry on it and have no regrets. I am still happy making meager gains and have no wish to attempt a 30 pound gain in one cycle.
 
dude...instead of counting on OX,get in tune w/ your DIET and training...no disrespect intended...just some constructive critisism...diet...and poerhaps daman has recommended something useful as well...good luck bro...
 
da big thinker said:
dude...instead of counting on OX,get in tune w/ your DIET and training...no disrespect intended...just some constructive critisism...diet...and poerhaps daman has recommended something useful as well...good luck bro...
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Thanks for the advice. The fact of the matter is, I'm not "counting" on anything but my own intelligence (which I try to use to make productive posts here). My training regime is flawless and performed at maximum intensity every day. My diet is a 40/40/20 zone @ 4,200 calories a day, although I will admit it isn't all oatmeal and chicken breasts. I've got my thesis and a job to worry about. My goal at this stage in my life is to put on as much "mass" as possible. I see no reason to be doing any "cutting" when my arms are as small as the above pictured, regardless of bodyfat, some may disagree.


The beauty of this whole hobby is that it is of a purely personal nature. Striving to do better then the day before. My drivers license (which needs to be renewed) reads 5'9", 105lbs. I'm almost 200 now, even if it isn't all lean mass.

How I look on the beach doesn't matter to me right now, my end goal is 225 @ 8% (and stay there). I think it would be counter-productive to "cut" at this point, even though I must look shittier then I thought based on this thread :).

Like I said, I'm a mathematics grad student, I don't (and have never) played any sports, but I am trying to change my lifestyle, I just wish it came overnight.


thanks to everyone who posted,

vageta: your thread a while ago was inspirational, along with your post in this thread.

twitched
 
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YOUR REPLY IS VALID TWITCHED and well said...although i do understand where you're coming i disagree...but keep doing what you're doing bro...it's all individual anyways...how long have you been training/cycling?out of curiosity???
 
Just eq/var and this one.

oh, and In light of recent feedback I've decided to change my bulking var cycle to a cutting cycle.

6 weeks left on this cycle.

My plan:.

2200 calories. 50/30/20 p/c/f
(5 meals of 55g prot, 30g carb, 10g fat)
Cardio, 45 mins, @ 135bpm, 5 days per week. empty stomach. morning.
Lifting 4 days per week heavy compounds.

Anavar, 40mg/day.
ALA 300mg per meal (total 1500mg)
Liquidex .5mg/day
NYC 2 before cardio, 1 at lunch, 1 at dinner. (AF tabs)

When the var runs out in 6 weeks, I do 2 weeks of clen post cycle.
 
Twitched said:
Just eq/var and this one.

oh, and In light of recent feedback I've decided to change my bulking var cycle to a cutting cycle.

6 weeks left on this cycle.

My plan:.

2200 calories. 50/30/20 p/c/f
(5 meals of 55g prot, 30g carb, 10g fat)
Cardio, 45 mins, @ 135bpm, 5 days per week. empty stomach. morning.
Lifting 4 days per week heavy compounds.

Anavar, 40mg/day.
ALA 300mg per meal (total 1500mg)
Liquidex .5mg/day
NYC 2 before cardio, 1 at lunch, 1 at dinner. (AF tabs)

When the var runs out in 6 weeks, I do 2 weeks of clen post cycle.
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Looks soild Bro. You might want to do a little more for post-cylce recovery because the var for that duration will leave you pretty shut down.
 
Your total weekly calories looks good, I figure you'll burn around 2,000 calories per week doing cardio, maybe 1,500 per week lifting, along with the muscle weight gain which will increase daily caloric need from the var, I wouldn't be surprised if you lose close to two pounds of fat per week with this program. My only concern is if you eat 2,200 calories every day-even on days that you don't exercise at all, that you will overdiet on some days, and underdiet on others. In order to lose two pounds per week(which is possible with vitamin S) you have to consume 1,000 calories less daily then you burn. You just want to make sure that each day is 1,000 in the hole, not some negative 1,500 and others negative 400. You might want to consider 1,600 on days you don't exercise at all, then you have more calories for the days you lift, or both lift and do cardio. Maybe 2,000 on days you only lift or do cardio, and 2,400 on days you do both. Using this stepped approach has enabled me to drop from 15% to 4-5% bodyfat while still gaining 12 pounds of muscle in one year without anabolics. I'm just now starting the same basic cycle as you, only I'm concentrating more on gaining lean mass. Good luck!
 
I disagree with such an agressive diet. On var having a 1000 calorie deficit would defintely cut in on the majority of the potential gains. I think the diet Twitch outlined would be ideal. Especially after taking ala, liquidex and nyc!! Good luck and would like to see after pics!
 
Its the same total calories, just eating less on the days he doesn't exercise and more on the days he does. Could you imagine only eating 2,200 calories on a day you do cardio and lift balls to the wall? I agree the diet is very aggressive, but he set it at 2200 calories a day. I personally would never cut my calories more that 500 a day below how many I burn that day, but the whole point of his cycle it to lose fat, so he can choose to shoot for losing two pounds a week with the help of the anavar, which is what he will most likely get with an average of 2,200 per day. The way I suggested is barely do-able, but 3-400 calories more per day would be better.
 
FYI, I tried bulking on 40mg of anavar and creatine a while back.

I looked fucking DISGUSTING afterwards. I put on a couple lbs of muscle and the same amount in lbs of fat, and that wasn't worth it at all.

No blame to the anavar, just my lunatic idea of taking in 4000+kcals with an anabolic as mild as anavar. Just use it as an anticatabolic while cutting, it won't make yer arms smaller :)
 
Twitched said:
Just eq/var and this one.

oh, and In light of recent feedback I've decided to change my bulking var cycle to a cutting cycle.

6 weeks left on this cycle.

My plan:.

2200 calories. 50/30/20 p/c/f
(5 meals of 55g prot, 30g carb, 10g fat)
Cardio, 45 mins, @ 135bpm, 5 days per week. empty stomach. morning.
Lifting 4 days per week heavy compounds.
Click to expand...

I don't think there is any need to cut back calories so drastically. I agree dieting is a good idea but I'd go with with 2900kcal daily, with about 200g or less in the form of carbs. Slicing calories in half at once is bound to cause muscle loss.
 
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